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From: rnsmth10/5/2011 7:00:39 AM
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Well boys and girls,

I think some of y'all are getting way too excited.

The 4S is going to do just fine, and both the 4 at $99 and the 3 GS for free are going to sell additional millions in the next quarter and year. Sometime in 2012 there will be an integrated LTE chip that does not consume so much power, and that will be worthy is use.

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10528)10/5/2011 7:13:10 AM
From: sylvester80
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The iPhone 4Sux. NO 4G, NO NFC, NO bigger screen, NO facebook integration, NO new design, HEAVIER, same old crappy glass back... even the iSheep just say NO to iPhone4Sux....

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10528)10/5/2011 7:17:23 AM
From: sylvester80
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Samsung, HTC set to gain as iPhone 4S disappoints
Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:30am EDT

* Apple iPhone 4S fails to impress investors, fans

* Scope for rivals to grab market share ahead of Christmas

* Samsung up 1.7 pct, LG rises 0.4 pct, HTC edges up 0.6 pct

* Shares in Apple's suppliers decline

* Low price could also help Apple expand into developing markets

By Clare Jim and Miyoung Kim

TAIPEI/SEOUL, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Asian smartphone makers have a chance to exploit a rare letdown from pacesetter Apple Inc. after the new iPhone 4S failed to wow fans and investors, leaving Android rivals better placed to grab market share.

The iPhone -- introduced in 2007 with the touchscreen template now adopted by its rivals -- is the gold standard in the booming smartphone market, and its sales have dealt a blow to ambitious plans of many competitors.

Shares of Samsung Electronics , HTC and LG Electronics , who all make phones using Google Inc.'s Android operating system, ended up on Wednesday.

These companies could now aggressively promote their flagship high-end models ahead of Christmas, potentially helping boost sales in the most crucial shopping season.

"Apple no longer has a leading edge, its cloud service is even behind Android; it can only sell on brand loyalty now," said Gartner analyst C.K. Lu in Taipei.

"Users may wait to buy the next iPhone, if they can't wait, they may shift to brands with more advanced specs."

The new iPhone 4S is identical in form to the previous model, disappointing fans who had hoped for a thinner, bigger-screened design of a product that had not been updated for more than a year.

While the device's high-tech wizardry such as voice commands -- for sending messages, searching for stock prices and other applications -- caught the attention of many analysts, it might not be enough to make it a must-have for consumers.

"Major concerns for Samsung had been that its smartphone momentum will decelerate with Apple's new iPhone, but that's now less of a concern as the new iPhone failed to excite many," said Kim Young-chan, an analyst at Shinhan Investment Corp in Seoul.

Shares of Taiwanese smartphone maker HTC rose 0.6 percent in a weaker Taipei market, while Korean rivals Samsung and LG climbed 1.7 percent and 0.4 percent respectively, in a broader Korean market down 2.3 percent.


However, Apple's move to price the iPhone 4S from $199 in the United States, and analysts' estimates of lower price points in major countries, could help the company expand in developing markets such as Asia, Samsung's backyard.

Apple is cutting the price of the older iPhone 4 to $99, and said an even older 3GS model will be available for free to customers who sign a long-term contract. This might allow Apple to take a bite out of a low-end market it had eschewed.

"The continued sales of the iPhone 4 and 3GS are a bigger story, because they represent the best answer Apple has to its strategy for emerging markets and the low end of the smartphone market," said Ovum analyst Jan Dawson.

Even before the low-cost phone, Apple was set to exponentially grow its China business as it stitches deals with operators in the world's largest mobile phone market, home to more than 900 million subscribers.

Apple faces a tough battle in India, the world's second-biggest market for mobile phones with more than 850 million subscribers, where smartphones account for just over 5 percent of the total mobile handset sales.

"Very aggressive pricing in the higher-end category of smartphones is unlikely in India in the near future, primarily because the volumes are not strong enough to justify that kind of play in that segment," said Deepak Kumar, research director at IDC India.


Phones based on Google's Android, which is available for free to handset vendors such as Samsung, HTC, LG and Motorola , have a greater combined market share than Apple's iPhone, which is still the world's No. 1 selling smartphone.

"There are still many consumers who don't have the iPhone experience, and Apple still has a lot of markets and carriers to enter, so when there's a new model with better specs, it helps to lift shipments," said Ming-chi Kuo, analyst at Concord Securities in Taipei.

"The iPhone 4S targets users who are expiring on their two-year 3GS contract."

Globally, iPhone shipments rose 9.1 percent in the second quarter while Nokia's plummeted more than 30 percent, handing the top spot to Apple with a market share of 18.4 percent, according to IHS iSuppli. Samsung, whose shipments grew faster, is coming on strong with a market share of 17.8 percent.

The lukewarm reception of the new phone hit shares in Apple's suppliers.

Taiwan's Hon Hai , Apple's biggest supplier, was down 1.9 percent, while casing company Foxconn Technology fell 6.9 percent. Camera module maker Largan Precision shed 6.6 percent.

"The casing companies should be the most-hit, correcting from the previous rise, because the market has expected a metal case for the new iPhone," said Mike Fang, a fund manager of Paradigm Asset Management.

Fang did not expect iPhone shipments to drop on the disappointment over its appearance however, as a cheaper price would allow sales to expand at a faster pace.

"The demand is still there from users upgrading from iPhone 3GS because it's two generations behind," he said.

In Japan, the country's second-largest mobile carrier KDDI will sell Apple's new iPhone, ending rival operator Softbank's highly profitable reign as the sole provider in Japan. (Additional reporting by Argin Chang in TAIPEI and Devidutta Tripathy in NEW DELHI; Writing by Anshuman Daga; Editing by Alex Richardson)

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10528)10/5/2011 7:23:11 AM
From: sylvester80
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It's coming Oct 11th... and it won't disappoint like the iPhone4Sux

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (10531)10/5/2011 7:50:09 AM
From: zax
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Samsung to Seek Block on iPhone in Europe

By CHOE SANG-HUN Published: October 5, 2011

SEOUL — Samsung Electronics said Wednesday that it would seek to block the sale of the iPhone 4S in France and Italy, claiming that Apple’s newly unveiled smartphone violated its patents.

In seeking a court injunction against its rival in two major European markets, Samsung, of South Korea, was getting more aggressive in its ever-expanding patent battle with Apple. Samsung said each of its injunction requests would cite two patent infringements related to wireless telecommunications technology, specifically the so-called Wideband Code Division Multiple Access standards for mobile handsets.

Samsung planned to file for preliminary injunctions in other countries after further review, the company said without elaborating.

“The infringed technology is essential to the reliable functioning of telecom networks and devices,” Samsung said in a statement. “Apple has continued to flagrantly violate our intellectual property rights and free ride on our technology, and we will steadfastly protect our intellectual property.”

Comment from Apple, which is based in California, was not immediately available.

The two electronics giants are locked in about 20 legal disputes over patents in nine countries, including Australia, Britain, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands and the United States.

The fight began when Apple sued Samsung in April in the United States, alleging that the Samsung Galaxy lineup of smartphones and tablet devices “slavishly” copied the iPhone and iPad in design, user interface and packaging. Samsung has responded with its own lawsuits accusing Apple of violating its intellectual property.

In recent weeks, Samsung officials have said they will become bolder in their fight with Apple, though the U.S. company is one of the top customers for Samsung components.

Samsung’s action came after Apple’s legal actions hurt the South Korean company’s sales. Last month, a German court ruled that Samsung could not sell its new Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet directly in Germany, Europe’s largest market, saying the design too closely resembled that of the Apple iPad 2.

On Tuesday, Apple turned down an offer from Samsung to settle their patent dispute in Australia, which has kept the Galaxy Tab 10.1 off store shelves in that country.

Separately, a court in the Netherlands barred Samsung from selling three smartphones that rival the iPhone. Samsung is appealing the decisions.

Apple and Samsung are not only competitors in the fast-growing global market for smartphones and tablet computers; they also have a close buyer-supplier relationship. Samsung, the world’s biggest maker of memory chips and flat-panel screens, supplies some of the important components in Apple products.

“We have kept our business relationship in mind, but we have had enough,” a Samsung official said, while explaining the company’s motive, on condition of anonymity. “We think it’s time to act more aggressively.”

Lee Soon-hak, an analyst at Mirae Asset Securities in Seoul, said that by initiating legal action in France and Italy, Samsung had done its homework on where it had the best chance of winning a case against Apple with a significant market effect on its rival.

But he said that the two giants might be seeking a deal to settle their dispute. “I don’t think Apple wants to prolong this battle forever,” he said. “At the same time, Samsung will also want a compromise.”

In June, the Finnish cellphone maker Nokia settled a two-year global patent fight with Apple over smartphone technology through a licensing agreement that will commit Apple to make a one-time payment to Nokia and pay regular royalties in the future.

Samsung’s action came on the same day that Asian smartphone makers were encouraged by the new iPhone 4S, which failed to whip up as much market enthusiasm as its predecessors. Shares of Samsung Electronics, HTC and LG Electronics, all of which make phones using the Google Android operating system, jumped Wednesday.

Samsung was ranked No. 2 globally in smartphones, behind Apple, in the second quarter of this year. In overall mobile phone sales, Samsung ranks second behind Nokia.

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (10531)10/5/2011 8:25:49 AM
From: puborectalis
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IPhone users are most likely to buy their next handset again from Apple Inc. (AAPL) as Nokia Oyj (NOK1V)’s customer loyalty dropped for the first time, a survey shows.

About 93 percent of iPhone owners in the U.S. and 88 percent in the U.K., Germany and France said they would probably or definitely go for another Apple handset, said Paul Brown, an analyst at Strategy Analytics, citing a poll. Nokia’s brand loyalty was 63 percent in Europe, compared with 74 percent a year earlier, while only one in two Nokia users in the U.S. plans to buy the next handset from the Finnish manufacturer.

“A lackluster portfolio of user-friendly touchscreen devices is one of the key reasons for this decline,” Brown said in an interview. “By creating a powerful brand image, along with a compelling user experience, Apple has managed to create a high level of brand loyalty amongst existing users.”

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To: puborectalis who wrote (10533)10/5/2011 8:40:16 AM
From: sylvester80
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Remember all those iPhone 5 survey numbers??? Well you can forget them as they got the iPhone4Sux instead and so they changed their mind... LMFAO... too funny...

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10510)10/5/2011 9:11:30 AM
From: zax
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The "Al Capone's vault" of product launches... even the hardcore fanboys are disappointed... and that says something X-D

Why Apple's iPhone 4S Disappoints

The iPhone 4S is hugely disappointing.

Let me repeat: Apple's new iPhone 4S -- with the fastest processor in a smartphone by miles, perhaps the most advanced and smartest voice command assistant on a piece of consumer technology ever, and the basic design and feel of the most wildly popular and beloved cell phone of all time -- is a big fat, tremendous letdown of a device, and the event where Apple CEO Tim Cook announced the new iPhone was the Al Capone's vault of product launches.

The soundtrack to the live stream should have been air being let slowly out of a balloon. What a downer. iCaramba.

It's not that the new iPhone won't be great. It will be one of, if not the, best smartphone available to consumers when it is released on October 14. After all, it is identical to the fantastic iPhone 4, except its antenna will be much-improved, the Internet and the apps will load and run faster and the camera and battery will put its predecessor's to shame.

And that -- exactly that! -- is the reason why everyone is so disappointed. It is exactly identical to the iPhone 4, except it got some nerd-friendly upgrades on its insides. Faster processors. Improved antennas. Increased camera pixels. Okay, okay, fine: But where is the improvement that I can see? And where is the improvement that my friends and co-workers and ex-lovers will be able to see and drool over and associate with me when I whip this shiny new Apple thing out?

This is where the groundswell of disappointment and feeling of anticlimax is coming from: Apple had 16 months since the release of the iPhone 4 to design something sexy or revolutionary or forward-thinking, and they ended up showcasing a product that we have all -- for all intents and purposes -- already seen before.

The great allure of Apple products is that, in both design and user experience, the owner of the device feels as though he or she possess a part of the cutting-edge. The iPhone 4S is the first major release in recent memory of a bread-and-butter Apple gadget -- among the phones, the tablets, the laptops and, before that, the mp3 players -- that does not seem like it will make strangers turn their heads when someone plays with it in public soon after release. It feels like a horizontal move rather than a bold leap forward, for a company that for the past decade has simply owned the bold leap forward in the personal tech space. Where is the pizzazz? Where are the rocket jets, the fireworks, the impossible design flourishes or the software and features that all the other companies will be scrambling to catch up with in the coming months?

Absent. For the first time in a while, Apple seemed like it was playing catchup with its rivals and patching up its own weaknesses rather than blowing up a technological space and thinking 3 years ahead of its enemies.

Yeah, so Apple released " Find My Friends": Are they going to use those Boost Mobile " Where You At?" commercials to promote it?

So Apple added on an 8 megapixel camera: Is it really so much better than all of the other 8 megapixel smartphone cameras that already exist, OR any of the 12 megapixel cameras on smartphones? And is the front-facing FaceTime camera still of conspicuously low-quality compared to its competitors?

So Apple released a voice command feature: Is it so much better than Microsoft's Tellme? Is this really the major innovation of the year in MacWorld? And does anyone actually want to use voice commands to look up the weather when they can do the same thing on an app with a finger swipe and a screen touch without having to talk to themselves in public?

No. The most shocking and innovative thing Apple launched at its event was a Christmas card app.

The iPhone 4S, to repeat, will still one of the best smartphones available for buyers today; An already strong smartphone became even stronger. The iPhone, with Siri inside, also instantly becomes the best smartphone for anyone with weak eyesight or any visual impairment. It deserves kudos for that, and for maintaining its status quo atop the smartphone quality rankings.

However: This release otherwise does nothing for Apple except make it a lot of money in the short term and give its rivals more time to catch up with or out-innovate it. Unless Tim Cook's " One More Thing ..." announcement is coming much later than usual this time around, a holding pattern seems to be in Apple's near-term future.

Perhaps I am being nitpicky. Perhaps I cannot see the 4S for the trees (sorry). Perhaps, too, everyone whining about the new iPhone needs to realize that it is still an excellent device and accept the fact that grumbling that the advancements from iPhone 4 to iPhone 4S were too incremental very definitely falls into both standup comedian's Louis CK's complaint that " Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy," and the popular Twitter hashtag #firstworldproblems.

And yet, still, there is the nagging sense that Apple held back or underperformed somehow at this media event. Now that the smoke has cleared, the balloons have deflated, the stock has dropped, the Internet has groaned and Apple has made all of its announcements and reveals and official pitches for its new technology, everything feels like a massive letdown, like post-Signs M. Night Shyamalan was directing the live stream.

It is, quite simply, a shock: The flair and forward-thinking that Apple seemed to once have a sixth sense for during these events seems to have dissolved just a tiny little bit; Apple, as a company and industry leader, no longer appears quite so -- another huge sigh on the day -- unbreakable.

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10510)10/5/2011 10:14:21 AM
From: zax
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>> I am happy with today's announcements.

>> Stay tuned and the markets will tell you why

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To: rnsmth who wrote (10528)10/5/2011 11:43:58 AM
From: zax
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Amazon will severely cut into the iPad this season. Windows 8 will demolish the iPad next year. And Apple has mortally shot itself in the cellphone department for this holiday season. AAPL is going to the toilet.

Nevermind the iPhone 5. Where’s My Windows iPad?

October 5, 2011 at 8:19 am PT

The Internet will tell you that there is much sadness because Apple didn’t release an iPhone 5 yesterday. But if you’re really going to venture into the world of tech dreams deferred, then you can end up in some pretty weird places.

For instance: Did you know that lots and lots and lots of people are pining away for a tablet that runs Windows?

Here’s a new survey out from Boston Consulting Group, which says 42 percent of U.S. consumers would like to buy a tablet that runs Microsoft’s operating system. That makes it the most desired OS by a significant margin, trailed by Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android.

So that’s a little odd, right? Because on the Internet, everyone loves Apple. And also, because there is no Windows tablet*.

But the BCG study isn’t an anomaly. Forrester conducted a poll earlier this year and got the same message, with an even starker gap between Microsoft and everyone else: “Only 9% of consumers considering buying a tablet actively prefer an Android tablet — compared with 16% who prefer iOS and 46% who prefer Windows.”

When I wrote about this back in August, I found this so puzzling that I got Forrester researcher Sarah Rotman Epps on the phone to confirm that this wasn’t some weird typo. Nope, she told me.

And it’s sort of common sense: “When we survey consumers, it becomes very clear that Windows is still a very popular brand,” she said. Apple has sold tens of millions of iPads, but Microsoft has sold more than 400 million windows 7 devices. What that says to me is that there’s a huge opportunity that microsoft has left untapped so far.”

So, what do you think, Steve Ballmer? I know you folks will be pre-occupied today with a slew of Xbox announcements. But maybe when you’ve done, you can give the people what they want.

*I know, I know – there are Windows tablets. But there aren’t practical, consumer-focused iPad-like tablets running Windows on the market now. Though one day there might be. OK?

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