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From: Smiling Bob	5/2/2012 9:54:22 PM
	1 Recommendation of 91177

Another BlackStone, market top, moment? -------------------- Carlyle prices IPO below range at $22: WSJ LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch)-- Private-equity firm Carlyle Group's initial public offering late Wednesday priced at $22 a share, below the company's expected range of $23 to $25, according to a report in the online version of The Wall Street Journal. The final price came after some mutual-fund investors pushed for a better deal, according to the report, which cited unnamed people familiar with the matter. People close to Carlyle said the firm could have priced the IPO in the original range, but it wanted to attract some larger investors who wanted a lower price. Carlyle's IPO will still be the largest so far this year. The shares are scheduled to begin trading Thursday on the Nasdaq under the symbol "CG". Copyright © 2012 MarketWatch, Inc. All rights reserved. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Service and Privacy Policy - UPDATED 10/18/2011. Intraday Data provided by SIX Telekurs and subject to terms of use. Historical and current end-of-day data provided by SIX Telekurs. Intraday data delayed per exchange requirements. Dow Jones Indexes (SM) from Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All quotes are in local exchange time. Real time last sale data provided by NASDAQ. More information on NASDAQ traded symbols and their current financial status. Intraday data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, and 20 minutes for other exchanges. Dow Jones IndexesSM from Dow Jones & Company, Inc. SEHK intraday data is provided by SIX Telekurs and is at least 60-minutes delayed. All quotes are in local exchange time.

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From: bentway	5/3/2012 12:12:39 AM
	6 Recommendations of 91177

10 Epic Failures of the Bush Tax Cuts 21 comments By Jon Perr ENLARGE Credit: New York Times In a rare moment of candor last week, the third-ranking Republican in the House admitted the failure of the Bush tax cuts. "You know, I think it's fair to say, if the current tax rates were enough to create jobs and generate economic growth we'd have a growing economy," Mike Pence acknowledged, adding, "It's not working now." Given that the Bush years produced the worst economic growth in the past 50 years, Pence is sadly correct. But sadder still is the dismal performance of the Bush economy across almost every indicator that counts. From moribund job creation and sinking household incomes to skyrocketing deficits and record income inequality, Republican economic stewardship over the past decade has been a disaster. Here, then, are the 10 Epic Failures of the Bush Tax Cuts: Dismal Economic Growth A Decade of Budget Deficits Red Ink as Far as the Eye Can See Disastrous Job Creation Declining Incomes Increasing Poverty A Massive Windfall for the Wealthy Record Income Inequality A Sagging Stock Market Jeopardizing Future Economic Growth (Details and charts for each follow below the fold.)

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To: The Reaper who wrote (65871)	5/3/2012 6:37:00 AM
From: carranza2	2 Recommendations of 91177

And it will spend 127 million on mining equipment for New Afton in 2012. Went through this: newgold.com Very solid. Seems that the only obstacles to continued success are the POG and, less significantly, the EM environmental litigation. This could easily be a 50-60 stock if POG eventually reaches 2k and EM and Blackwater become realities. IMO this trifecta will pan out, especially EM, which is huge. With real interest rates probably negative through the end of 2014 and perhaps longer, the POG should stay healthy. This is worth reading in this regard. mineweb.com All this said, patience is the key. Anyone willing to wait 5-6 years would be nuts not to be accumulating at the rock bottom prices in place now.

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To: carranza2 who wrote (65891)	5/3/2012 7:40:27 AM
From: orkrious	of 91177

This could easily be a 50-60 stock if POG eventually reaches 2k and EM and Blackwater become realities. IMO this trifecta will pan out, especially EM, which is huge... Anyone willing to wait 5-6 years I don't know if you meant it will take 5-6 years for $50-$60. As Fleck said yesterday: The last two major gold companies reported last night, Barrick Gold and Yamana. Both of them were in line to slightly better, which means that all the majors made their numbers or did a little bit better, with the exception of Goldcorp. Thus, it wasn't horrible operations this quarter that have seen mining stocks get destroyed, it is purely market sentiment. That will change when it changes, but it is a good example of how psychology plays a huge role in where stocks trade, both on the upside and the downside. It isn't going to take anything like 5-6 years for gold to reach $2k. Next year is likely. Blackwater is even larger than EM, at least NGD's portion. And both plus New Afton have big exploration potential. It's all about sentiment. When it turns the market will anticipate the future properties.

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To: orkrious who wrote (65892)	5/3/2012 8:49:15 AM
From: carranza2	1 Recommendation of 91177

Trying to predict the POG is dicey. All the fundamental are of course there. However, I think, with absolutely no basis for it except intuition and the best judgment I can bring to the table, that the September rise to 1900 and change resulted in a decision to manage what was rapidly becoming unmanageable. Henceforth, gold will be allowed to rise, but not at rates like we've seen in the past. The trading range it's visited so far this year I think reflects this. For the sake of managing my own expectations, I do see 50-60 in 5 or so years, assuming sentiment is somewhat more optimistic. If it performs better than that, great. Otherwise, NGD's and POG's fundamentals I think should make for a good investment. A five or six bagger in that time frame is nothing to sneeze at.

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To: carranza2 who wrote (65896)	5/3/2012 9:13:16 AM
From: orkrious	of 91177

the September rise to 1900 and change resulted in a decision to manage what was rapidly becoming unmanageable. Henceforth, gold will be allowed to rise, but not at rates like we've seen in the past. Before the $100 February whacking on no news I scoffed at the conspiracy theories. I now am more open to it. Assuming it exists, I think eventually it will blow up. I don't know what the catalyst will be, possibly the world moving trading to Asia. There will come a time when physical demand will trump the paper. Given negative real interest rates, the amount of the world's debt, and all of the electronic money being created, this isn't something that's going to take five years to play out, at least not when it comes to a sub $2k gold price. I do agree with you that a five or six bagger in five years is nothing to sneeze at. I just don't think it's going to take that long. Bear markets end whenever they end. When you are long and watching your stuff go down it seems like it never will.

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