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To: The Reaper who wrote (65548)4/26/2012 5:03:13 PM
From: TH   of 90928
 
TR,

It just more, "nuts". YoY, well, not so good on earnings. And forward guidance, again, not so good.

But hey, P/E means nothing. They, "earned" 28 cents or something.

I don't question Apple accounting, but Amazon, I dunno.

Fortunately I bought real short dated poots, and only ten of them, so no big loss for me. But still, 10-12% ramp on this is a bit nutty.

GT
TH

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To: TH who wrote (65549)4/26/2012 5:14:26 PM
From: BWAC4 Recommendations   of 90928
 
LOL an earnings beat that was down about 40% from last year. Party on!
Price going up, earnings going down. Yeah!

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To: BWAC who wrote (65550)4/26/2012 5:27:22 PM
From: ggersh4 Recommendations   of 90928
 
Explaining the madness

zerohedge.com 



Amazon Surges After Hours On After-Tax Accounting Gimmick, Cash Burn, Collapsing Margins, And Negative GuidanceSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 04/26/2012 - 16:54 After Hours

Either the algos are getting really stupid, or nobody cares at all about the quality of earnings any more. Case in point - Amazon, which was expected to post revenues and EPS of $12.9 billion and $0.07 came up with a revenue of $13.18 billion, hardly breathtaking if this came entirely at the expense of margins as has been the case in the past year, yet the one item that is sending the stock surging after hours on yet another short covering squeeze in which people cover first and ask questions later, was the EPS which came at $0.28. Amazing. Only problem is that the EPS, which was $130 million equivalent, was based on $41 million in actual net income from continuing operations, or $0.09. Hardly the stuff sending stocks up 10% in after hours. What accounting for the balance? An after tax adjustment amounting to $89 million coming from Equity-method investment activity, or the oldest accounting trick in the book, which alone added $0.19 cents to the EPS number, or about 95% of the entire EPS beat. What is surely not driving the AH spurt is that company's guidance for Q2: "Net sales are expected to be between $11.9 billion and $13.3 billion, or to grow between 20% and 34% compared with second quarter 2011. Operating income (loss) is expected to be between $(260) million and $40 million, or between 229% decline and 80% decline compared with second quarter 2011." So... actual profit before after tax accounting gimmicks may be negative, but at least they will make up for it in volume, right? Or inverse cash: in Q1 the company burned $3 billion in cash, bringing its cash load down from $5.3 billion to $2.3 billion. One final thing that is not causing the10% spike after hours is the operating margin: the company made $192 million in income from operations on $13.2 billion in revenue, or 1.5% profit margin, compared to what was considered abysmal 3.2% last year.

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To: ggersh who wrote (65551)4/26/2012 5:32:21 PM
From: TH4 Recommendations   of 90928
 
g2,

<An after tax adjustment amounting to $89 million coming from Equity-method investment activity, or the oldest accounting trick in the book, which alone added $0.19 cents to the EPS number, or about 95% of the entire EPS beat.>

Perfect. I could have written that, as these were exactly my thoughts after reading it.

It's an accounting trick, or scam, or whatever, depending on if you are a 1/4 full or 1/4 empty kinda guy <g>

GT
TH

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To: BWAC who wrote (65550)4/26/2012 5:33:37 PM
From: TH1 Recommendation   of 90928
 
bwac,

It's amazing, but these are machines. And this stupidity has been going on for a long time now, blowing yet another massive bubble in equities.

Hell's bells. Whatever.

GT
TH

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To: TH who wrote (65542)4/26/2012 7:35:27 PM
From: LLCF   of 90928
 
Lol!! Good (even if dead) soldiers... Owned plenty of those in my time... One "score" out of 10 and u break even. Ring the bell when it's time to short the long bond will you,
??? I've had bells ringing for 2 years or so I had to put ear plugs in!

DAK

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To: TH who wrote (65552)4/26/2012 7:46:20 PM
From: ggersh   of 90928
 
TH

Actually 1/8's worked great at one time...-vbg-

then came pennies and HFT

ggersh

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From: bentway4/26/2012 8:43:33 PM
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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (65533)4/26/2012 9:14:54 PM
From: Skeeter Bug1 Recommendation   of 90928
 
GB, that's arguable. Anyone with wealth who doesn't actively resist such an evil system suffers from the worst kind of poverty - of the spirit.

But that wasn't the point of the article and you articulated the point of the article quite well - sometimes clarity suffers to get a good headline. ;-)

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