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To: TH who wrote (62108)3/6/2012 5:15:38 PM
From: Smiling Bob2 Recommendations   of 91155
 
It's not a glitch
when posting "https" links, delete the "s" when pasting
Then it's no longer secure and everyone can access your account(jk)
as is, your link will only work if viewer is logged into Goog

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (62000)3/6/2012 6:02:23 PM
From: the navigator   of 91155
 
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wow, bc, you really got them going there...enjoyed the debate.

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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (62113)3/6/2012 6:44:55 PM
From: Amelia Carhartt   of 91155
 
No. But, then again I've never tried.

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To: ggersh who wrote (62117)3/6/2012 6:46:30 PM
From: Amelia Carhartt   of 91155
 
Well, it's all making me feel berry, berry poor! And, I want to buy a little joint down in Whitefish. Probably a perfectly lousy time to do it but I wannu! :)

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To: the navigator who wrote (62126)3/6/2012 7:09:06 PM
From: Broken_Clock   of 91155
 
that thread seems to be absent of some of the more severe rhetoric found on other threads like Sioux Nation or Formerly AMD.

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To: Amelia Carhartt who wrote (62128)3/6/2012 7:22:40 PM
From: Jim McMannis   of 91155
 
Looking for something in Whitefish. Even around as far South as FH lake. If you see anything under the radar let me know. Unless you buy it. g

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From: Box-By-The-Riviera™3/6/2012 7:23:30 PM
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i'd like to see a break out of share buy back programs while the managers are selling.. but i'm not really so needy as to make my own guess and not stick with it.


5:58 PM The S&P 500 is up 25% since its October low, but corporate insiders are selling. Top brass sold $6.8B of their companies' shares in February, the fastest pace since last May; for every $13 of selling, there was just $1 of buying. With just $510M worth of buying, February was the sixth month in a row where corporate insiders purchased less than $1B of stock.


when they all start getting on leer jets with their cash.. to places uncharted on the flight plan.. that might be an indicator to the sheep and pension fund sheep who keep stepping up to the plate to finance their well orchestrated departure.


what a cuntry.



at least someone finally found waldo in the studio of rush limbaugh. that fat pig must have a bevy of armed security to get through all the decades of his rabble rowsing low blow nation dividing filth.

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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (62130)3/6/2012 7:29:37 PM
From: Broken_Clock   of 91155
 
what r u doing? it's freezing up there! -g-

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (62132)3/6/2012 7:33:37 PM
From: Jim McMannis1 Recommendation   of 91155
 
Didn't you know, Montana is the last best place. Plus. I like to ski.

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (62129)3/6/2012 7:36:32 PM
From: No Mo Mo21 Recommendations   of 91155
 
Severe times call for severe rhetoric. As always, call me naive, but I'm mystified why people are sitting down for the kind of disdain Holder demonstrated yesterday. What's it going to take?

I saw one person say that he used to ask Bush supporters what it would take to get them to see the light on GWB, him killing people? Well, now you got it. Except it's a Democratic president. O's running around killing extra-judicially and you've got the Attorney General offering up a paper-thin defense then refusing to cite any legal basis or even take questions from an audience of law students. WTF?

And if you want to complain, doing so in public will not be an option much longer -- at least not anywhere where it will have much impact. And if you do -- felony. These people in Congress will sit on a bill for months if it has anything to do with governing in a way that conforms to the job as described in the Constitution. But a bill like this comes out of nowhere and cruises though almost unanimously?!


I think the article is wrong about Ron Paul voting against. It looks like he didn't vote: clerk.house.gov 

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New Anti-Protest Bill Flies Through Congress – Both Parties Stage Nearly Unanimous Votes to Outlaw Protests Against Government

by Source on March 5, 2012 · 27 comments

in American Empire, Civil Rights, Organizing, Popular
HR 347 is an authoritarian bill some say is designed to restrict the Occupy movement and to outlaw protests near or at government buildings.

Editor: On the heels of the passage of the NDAA of 2012 comes a new bill, HR 347, designed – it appears – to outlaw protests near government buildings or against government services. President Obama has yet to sign it. Learn about it here and do something about it.

By Tom Carter / wsws.org / March 3, 2012

A bill passed last Monday (Feb. 27) in the US House of Representatives and Thursday (March 1) in the Senate would make it a felony—a serious criminal offense punishable by a lengthy prison term—to participate in many forms of protest associated with the Occupy Wall Street protests of last year. Several commentators have dubbed it the “anti-Occupy” law, but its implications are far broader.

The bill—H.R. 347, or the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011”—was passed by unanimous consent in the Senate, while only Ron Paul and two other Republicans voted against the bill in the House of Representatives (the bill passed 388-3). Not a single Democratic politician voted against the bill.

The virtually unanimous passage of H.R. 347 starkly exposes the fact that, despite all the posturing, the Democrats and the Republicans stand shoulder to shoulder with the corporate and financial oligarchy, which regarded last year’s popular protests against social inequality with a mixture of fear and hostility.

Among the central provisions of H.R. 347 is a section that would make it a criminal offense to “enter or remain in” an area designated as “restricted.”

The bill defines the areas that qualify as “restricted” in extremely vague and broad terms. Restricted areas can include “a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting” and “a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance.”

The Secret Service provides bodyguards not just to the US president, but to a broad layer of top figures in the political establishment, including presidential candidates and foreign dignitaries.

Even more sinister is the provision regarding events of “national significance.” What circumstances constitute events of “national significance” is left to the unbridled discretion of the Department of Homeland Security. The occasion for virtually any large protest could be designated by the Department of Homeland Security as an event of “national significance,” making any demonstrations in the vicinity illegal.

For certain, included among such events would be the Democratic and Republican National Conventions, which have been classified as National Special Security Events (NSSE), a category created under the Clinton administration. These conventions have been the occasion for protests that have been subjected to ever increasing police restrictions and repression. Under H.R. 347, future protests at such events could be criminalized.

The standard punishment under the new law is a fine and up to one year in prison. If a weapon or serious physical injury is involved, the penalty may be increased to up to ten years.

Also criminalized by the bill is conduct “that impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions” and “obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds.” These provisions, even more so than the provisions creating “restricted areas,” threaten to criminalize a broad range of protest activities that were previously perfectly legal.

In order to appreciate the unprecedented sweep of H.R. 347, it is necessary to consider a few examples:

A wide area around the next G-20 meeting or other global summit could be designated “restricted” by the Secret Service, such that any person who “enters” that area can be subject to a fine and a year in jail under Section 1752(a)(1) (making it a felony to enter any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so).

Senator Rick Santorum, the ultra-right Republican presidential candidate, enjoys the protection of the Secret Service. Accordingly, a person who shouts “boo!” during a speech by Santorum could be subject to arrest and a year of imprisonment under Section 1752(a)(2) (making it a felony to “engag[e] in disorderly or disruptive conduct in” a restricted area).

Striking government workers who form a picket line near any event of “national significance” can be locked up under Section 1752(a)(3) (making it a crime to imped[e] ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds)

Under the ancien regime in France, steps were taken to ensure that the “unwashed masses” were kept out of sight whenever a carriage containing an important aristocrat or church official was passing through. Similarly, H.R. 347 creates for the US president and other top officials a protest-free bubble or “no-free-speech zone” that follows them wherever they go, making sure the discontented multitude is kept out of the picture.

The Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act is plainly in violation of the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which was passed in 1791 in the aftermath of the American Revolution. The First Amendment provides: “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech . . . or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” (The arrogance of the Democratic and Republican politicians is staggering—what part of “Congress shall make no law” do they not understand?)

H.R. 347 comes on the heels of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which was signed by President Obama into law on December 31, 2011. The NDAA gives the president the power to order the incarceration of any person—including a US citizen—anywhere in the world without charge or trial.

The passage of H.R. 347 has been the subject of a virtual blackout in the media. In light of the unprecedented nature of the bill, which constitutes a significant attack on the First Amendment, this blackout cannot be innocent. The media silence therefore represents a conscious effort to keep the American population in the dark as to the government’s efforts to eviscerate the Bill of Rights.

The bill would vastly expand a previous law making it a felony to trespass on the grounds of the White House. An earlier version of the bill would have made it a felony just to “conspire” to engage in any of the conduct described above. The bill now awaits President Obama’s signature before it becomes the law of the land. For one thing, it replaces language prohibiting “willfully and knowingly” entering a “restricted area” with language prohibiting merely “willfully” entering a “restricted area.” This seemingly minor change dramatically increases the reach of the law.

What lies behind the unprecedented attack on the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is a growing understanding in the ruling class that the protests that took place around the world against social inequality in 2011 will inevitably re-emerge in more powerful forms in 2012 and beyond, as austerity measures and the crashing economy make the conditions of life more and more impossible for the working class. The virtually unanimous support in Congress for H.R. 347, among Democrats as well as Republicans, reflects overriding sentiment within the ruling establishment for scrapping all existing democratic rights in favor of dictatorial methods of rule.

This sentiment was most directly expressed this week by Wyoming Republican legislator David Miller, who recently introduced a bill into the state legislature that would give the state the power, in an “emergency,” to create its own standing army through conscription, print its own currency, acquire military aircraft, suspend the legislature, and establish martial law. “Things happen quickly sometimes—look at Libya, look at Egypt, look at those situations,” Miller told the Star-Tribune in Casper, Wyoming. Repeating arguments employed by every military dictatorship over the past century, Miller declared, “We wouldn’t have time to meet as a Legislature or even in special session to do anything to respond.” Miller’s so-called “doomsday law” was defeated in the Wyoming legislature Tuesday by the narrow margin of 30-27

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