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To: neolib who wrote (2778)9/22/2011 7:29:24 PM
From: pgerassi of 9686
 
But what people like those tablet boosters fail to consider is that software is expensive and when that is where most of the cost is, people hate to keep repaying for the same functionality. Its even worse when you consider the time lost in relearning the new "pad" or mobile device's applications. That worth is even higher than the software's retail price. With PCs. laptops and notebooks, the software is the same and, for the most part, the interfaces are consistent between generations. Get a new Windows PC or even a new Linux PC and the interface is the same, the software it runs is the same. It may have more options, but the old stuff still runs so you don't have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. With many of these pads, tablets and such, they change the software even within a line. What works in tablet A doesn't work in pad B. Heck many times what works in tablet A doesn't work in its successor tablet A'.

Most people do not like having to pay for doing the same stuff twice. Grandfathering is something that mobile devices have to do, before they can penetrate the market heavily. And they also have to be compatible for the most part between the various markets of tablets, pads, and netbooks. People don't mind slow change where the older stuff runs, but to use new hardware types (SSDs, 3D screens, Eyefinity, etc.) and implmentations (RAID, GbE, SATA3, USB3, DP) requiring incremental updates to software (wholesale changes will be frowned upon). After a while those old types can be dropped like PCs have dropped acoustical modems, floppies, tapes (paper, cassette, 1/4" cartridge, 1/2" (VHS), 4mm and 8mm), serial port, parallel port, MFM, RLL, IDE, ISA,V ESA, Microchannel, PS/2, impact printers and gameports over the years.

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To: pgerassi who wrote (2760)9/22/2011 7:32:14 PM
From: j3pflynn of 9686
 
Tbird was Socket A/462, not 7+; that would have been K6-III.

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To: SonnyListon who wrote (2774)9/22/2011 7:41:01 PM
From: combjelly of 9686
 
"You didn't provide any such information."

Oops. Sorry, I thought you knew how to Google things.

My bad.

Or maybe you don't really care about the facts, but can't pass up an opportunity to bash someone, despite the actual facts?

"And clearly I know much more about how this industry operates than you do."

It isn't clear at all at this juncture.

"With your attempt at evasion over Microsoft's self-interest, by playing the OEM canard, how do you explain why Microsoft bothers to run television ads and other media ads if things were as you say?"

The OEM canard? You truly are ignorant, aren't you?

They bother with the ads and the other things to build excitement and convince people to buy new computers. Sure, they sell quite a bit at retail, but it is mostly to the OEMs. I'd tell you to Google the info, but you have already admitted you don't know how.

So, here is one article on it.

theregister.co.uk 

These aren't anything like as easy to predict as OEM numbers, but the OEM numbers will always dwarf retail.

And you can get some idea by looking at their quarterly reports. But it is harder.

wallstnation.com 

The biggest driver of segment performance was the growth in OEM sales

And, of course, there is this...

leconconsulting.com 

According to Microsoft, roughly 90% of all copies of Windows are purchased with new PCs, preinstalled by Original Equipment Manufacturers that build the PC and sell Windows as part of the package.

"The answer is clearly because things are not as you say."

Umm, wrong.

Per usual.

Thanks for playing, though!

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To: j3pflynn who wrote (2799)9/22/2011 7:44:08 PM
From: pgerassi of 9686
 
I had both a K6-3/400 and a K6-2/450, so I did misremember. Now one serves as a SCSI disk (and tape) file server and the other as a printer server both for my dad (as a certified pack rat, he hates to throw things away).

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To: SonnyListon who wrote (2793)9/22/2011 10:24:47 PM
From: neolib of 9686
 
If you lack a notebook, don't have a mobile gadget, and instead lug a desktop around to friends houses, you are indeed an atypical user (IMHO).

That said, your stated uses of PC gaming, downloading torrents, and 6TB of storage all sound like things well suited for the future of a cloud backend, and a mobile gadget. Sure, the experience will be somewhat different, but the next generation of users won't understand your style either.

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To: pgerassi who wrote (2798)9/22/2011 10:33:43 PM
From: neolib of 9686
 
All it takes are new users without legacy baggage. I do agree that at some point, continuity between gadget generations is an issue, but its not so much at the start of a new category. People have been use to buying and throwing away cell phones for years now, and cell phones have slowly morphed into smartphones. They will throw them away more often as well, and to the degree the entire system becomes cloud based, it won't matter if you lose it either.

I suspect that the path forward is where you pay a monthly fee for cloud service which includes software. No different than getting 100's of channels on cable for a fixed monthly fee. You will get 10K's of apps for the same monthly service fee, and the cloud provider will figure out (based on your useage) how to divy the $ back to the apps providers. No different than music or video content providers for that matter. The days of you forking over $100's for software packages is likely coming to an end, at least for consumer stuff. It will take a while to get there, but I think that is where things are headed.

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From: neolib9/23/2011 12:04:05 AM
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Intel to rename Atom lineup, due to poor brand image:

Intel reportedly plans to rename the brand names of CPUs under its Cedar Trail platform in 2012 as demand for netbooks and nettops built with its Atom-branded processors has dropped significantly due to the poor brand image of Atom CPUs, according to industry sources.
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All here:

digitimes.com 

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From: neolib9/23/2011 12:05:31 AM
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And digitimes speculates that HP won't ditch the PC unit:

digitimes.com 

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From: neolib9/23/2011 12:09:20 AM
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Charlie thinks the sky is falling at AMD with Bergman out (unless it isn't):

semiaccurate.com 

Rick Bergman is out at AMD ( NYSE:AMD), quite possibly the worst thing that could have happened to the company. With the new CEO in place, there were bound to be changes, but this one is pretty unexpected.
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and also some limited info on 28nm (GPUs and Trinity) from AMD around IDF:

semiaccurate.com 

AMD ( NYSE:AMD) was doing their usual counter-IDF demos in San Francisco last week, complete with 28nm GPUs and Trinity laptops. No specs were disclosed, but insiders tell SemiAccurate that both chips are in good shape.
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From: neolib9/23/2011 12:20:33 AM
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This digitimes link has this odd statement:

In addition, Samsung revealed that starting September, it started to produce 20nm-class NAND flash memory chips with a projected volume of more than 10,000 12-inch wafers monthly. The company will also begin production of chips using 10nm-class process technology in 2012.

digitimes.com 

I think something is a little off there...

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