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To: combjelly who wrote (2736)	9/20/2011 11:08:47 AM
From: neolib	of 9742

That isn't going to happen. They are different devices. It has already happened in the 10's of millions, and will continue to do so. The issue is not that tablets are indeed at a great disadvantage to notebooks for some tasks, its that what notebooks were largely being used for, tablets are actually better at, and hence are replacing them. The people who are underestimating the impact of tablets/smartphones are not understanding this distinction. Its info/social media which mobile gadgets are used for, but its also what 90% of home computers are used for anyway. This is not a fad, despite what some people imagine. Its what computer use has become, and the legacy use implied certain things which are no longer of great value, and in fact for ease of use, are a disadvantage. Even in work/industrial settings, mobile gadgets have compelling advantages over notebooks for some uses, and will displace them in those settings. Specialized tablets have actually been in use in medical and industrial settings for years, now they can use better & cheaper standardized units rather than ones customized (and beastly expensive) for their particular field. While IDF and BUILD have shown that INTC and MSFT finally seem to be waking up to things, there are still some strong hints that they can't see reality except through their old visions. IMHO it is a very large mistake of MSFT to push 10+" tablets, because this is falling into the trap of thinking the old style of computers is better, but we just need to adopt the "fad" touch interface. This is crap thinking. The point is that the device must be small and easily carried. The "fad" with mobile gadgets is that they are very mobile. I don't think Intel or MS really understand that yet.

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To: neolib who wrote (2737)	9/20/2011 12:49:40 PM
From: combjelly	of 9742

"ts that what notebooks were largely being used for, tablets are actually better at, and hence are replacing them." But that isn't universal. There are some things that, in fact, notebooks are pretty good at. Which isn't to say they aren't over-used. They are. But there will always be a niche for them. "While IDF and BUILD have shown that INTC and MSFT finally seem to be waking up to things, there are still some strong hints that they can't see reality except through their old visions." They are only waking up in the sense that they are starting to realize it isn't a passing fad. The fact that this has been building for a couple of decades still escapes them. Which isn't to say that the present products are the solution. They aren't. Apple seems to view tablets as merely vehicles for transferring cash from their customers to them. Others are also trying this model, but are doomed to fail, like HP did. The Touchpad had a grasp of what needs to be done, it automatically takes advantage of things like printers and cell phones, but is locked into HP products. The idea of taking a call on the tablet is a good one, restricting it to a single company's products isn't. Gmote on Android points the way to go. It is just a matter of expanding on the idea.

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To: combjelly who wrote (2738)	9/20/2011 1:01:55 PM
From: neolib	of 9742

But that isn't universal. There are some things that, in fact, notebooks are pretty good at. Absolutely. But it is important to understand the relative size of those uses. IMHO, mobile gadgets will cover a larger % of the "computing" needs of a bigger fraction of user than will notebooks, and this despite the fact that many current users are predisposed to liking notebooks, because that is what they have been used to. Ditch the cell phone, camera, and notebook, replace with small tablet (or large smartphone). Then at home/work, have a desktop with large monitor and good CPU/GPU for "real" work. Oddly enough, the price of the two is currently about the same (tablet vs desktop) despite the large difference in material content, and raw compute power.

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To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (2741)	9/20/2011 5:56:25 PM
From: neolib	of 9742

Not that would hit the CPU performance at the power level. I suspect part of the Ultrabook push is in fact to attempt to shift mainstream notebooks out of the reach of AMD. But then the price, as is being noted by the vendors, is not compatible with mainstream notebooks. So TWT. If anything, I suspect small notebooks are not a wise future move. If you are going for mobile, get a tablet, and a small one at that, and if you really want a notebook, get one with a larger screen and nice keyboard. A small notebook does not strike me as a market niche with much life to it. Clearly the marketing types at Intel have a different view, so...

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To: neolib who wrote (2739)	9/20/2011 6:15:32 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	of 9742

Ditch the cell phone, camera, and notebook, replace with small tablet (or large smartphone). Then at home/work, have a desktop with large monitor and good CPU/GPU for "real" work. That's the way I see it also.......at least for the large majority. Just waiting a bit to get a smartphone. Probably will get one at 28nm..........at 22nm for sure. Hope data packages come down in price a bit. When I'm home.......no better environment than my easy chair with a large monitor set at just the right distance. Mid range AMD APU gives more than enough computing power. When I'm out of the home, it's for a reason.......not to do any computing. Just need the portability/connectivity for basic stuff and for the convenience. I think there is a large % of the populace that couldn't make sufficient use of a smartphone to warrant one.

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