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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (3)6/21/2010 11:56:47 AM
From: sndk_longterm   of 36
 
Hi Art, good day. One thing is for sure. Intel has not committed one single penny to tooling for the new fab they have. This seems awfully strange to me, and I do know that Intel/SNDK are talking in regards to renewal of licensing agreement which expired earlier this year, and Shlomi Cohen wrote an article supporting this.

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To: sndk_longterm who wrote (4)6/28/2010 5:48:47 PM
From: Sam   of 36
 
See especially the note I put in bold from the MU CC:
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To: Sam who wrote (5)6/28/2010 7:00:37 PM
From: sndk_longterm   of 36
 
Sam, it is apparent to me that this is because Intel and SNDK are in talks, without question in my mind. I've thought this for quite some time, and they are not moving forward with Micron. I wouldn't be surprised if the street already sees Intel not moving forward with them, and this is the reason why it is giving it such a low PE because it doesn't think Micron can keep up with CAPEX/growth going forward. Seems plausible to me.

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To: sndk_longterm who wrote (6)6/28/2010 7:21:43 PM
From: Sam   of 36
 
Seems plausible to me too, but I am keeping it on the back burner as far as investing strategy goes. If it happens--and especially if it goes through at anywhere near the price that Dan suggested a couple of months ago--it will be a pleasant albeit mixed surprise. Mixed because I do think that Sandisk is incredibly well positioned in a sector that is incredibly well positioned. On the other hand, new fabs are expensive and bringing 3D up to production status will be expensive, and it isn't clear to me that Sandisk can afford to do it on their own. Plus, although the next 5 years or so could well be spectacular if 3D is successful, it will be tough to get there without more financial muscle than Sandisk has right now.

And then there is the global macro economic situation--who the hell knows where this debt crisis will lead? If there really is another credit freeze next year or the following year and Sandisk has committed to spending several billion dollars on new equipment but the market freezes up like it did in '08-09--what then? A merger with Intel gives them more financial muscle, greater management depth, and (I presume) access to more R&D expertise as well as a much broader portfolio of products that will water down the boom times but will buffer the down cycles. This is still a cyclical sector, even though we are entering a period which should be a very long up cycle, IMHO, perhaps (emphasize that word) with a brief period next year when the market is transitioning to SSDs while the new fabs are churning out product.

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To: Sam who wrote (7)6/28/2010 7:39:42 PM
From: sndk_longterm   of 36
 
Thanks for your reply. Would like to get some of the other folks on the other board to chime in here. I am obviously more liberal in my views and comments and am not bothered by heated discussions or a few curse words here and there on the board. I really do enjoy sharing views, even if in a heated way, just kind of spices things up if you will. I do expect the stock to rise into earnings, but I'm not sure how high. Nonetheless, I think they're going to beat big, once again, and will post my numbers soon enough! Even if it's not a buyout from Intel, their will be some announcement with them imo, and I agree, the costs to go at 3D alone, along with megafab investments are just too expensive. This is why I think Micron is in trouble. No partner, no success for them, they just don't have the money.

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To: sndk_longterm who wrote (8)6/28/2010 8:20:47 PM
From: Art Bechhoefer   of 36
 
SanDisk - Intel merger? It's an intriguing idea, but it might be in conflict with the Toshiba SanDisk joint venture provisions. If Intel bought SanDisk, Intel would end up being a partner and competitor of Toshiba at the same time.

No doubt consolidation will continue, with lesser NAND flash participants falling by the wayside. This is already happening and explains in part why NAND prices have fallen only modestly over the past year (at a much lower rate than production costs for the major producers). Many well publicized analysts apparently have missed this trend, and their resulting estimates of earnings and gross margins for the rest of the year as a result are too low.

One factor that makes SanDisk attractive as an acquisition is its intrinsic value, taking into account the value of its patents, among other things. Even without accounting for the value of the patents, most of which are on the books at zero value, the price-earnings ratio going forward is also on the low side. As others have noted previously, this is really a $60 stock (or more) were it not for the economic and political uncertainties facing the major nations of the world.

Art

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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (9)6/28/2010 9:13:27 PM
From: Sam   of 36
 
Art, Sandisk and Toshiba are already partners and competitors.

One of the side effects of an Intel-Sandisk collaboration would be to effectively eliminate IMFT and Micron as a player in NAND. As sndk_longterm pointed out, there is no way that Micron could do both NAND and DRAM by themselves. Perhaps they would have to develop a partnership with Hynix to continue in NAND.

Just throwing things out here. Purely speculative. And possibly silly.

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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (9)6/28/2010 11:57:39 PM
From: sndk_longterm   of 36
 
Art, couldn't agree with you more. Eli had actually said in an interview that "2011 was going to be better than 2010". He may in fact be saying that because they will have more bit growth, and still be undersupplied, my guess.

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From: sndk_longterm7/3/2010 5:45:02 PM
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Sam, I saw your post in regards to supply coming on next year. If you think 2010 is going to be bad in terms of getting parts the second half of this year, it's going to be worse next year, really worse. When I see Apple increasing their IPAD shipments to 17 million for next year, and quite frankly they're going to do more like 25-30 million because this year, they'll wind up doing 14 million, if they can get enough LCD's and nand, I simply don't see oversupply by any means. The entire reason why this stock as well as most other stocks in the stock market are down has nothing to do with demand, it has to do with what is going on with our government (lack of job growth). It doesn't matter if overall growth slows down because the demand for smart phones will not, and other gadgets incorporating massive amounts of nand. Perhaps a more pricier IPAD would sell less, but the one thing people are willing to do every two years is to buy a new $100-300 smart phone because it's a must. Even with a slowdown of 5% next year in what they are originally forecasting for bit shipments, their still isn't enough capacity coming online in time. If all of these tablets and such continue to grow like they are, and SSD's kick in, forget about it. We're probably looking at a 10% undersupply by the time next year will have ended.

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To: sndk_longterm who wrote (12)7/5/2010 1:45:11 PM
From: Mad2   of 36
 
From EE Times Asia - mad2

Analysis: Can Micron hold on to its good fortune?

Posted:06 Jul 2010


In just one year, Micron Technology Inc. doubled its quarterly revenue, turned a $300 million net loss into a $940 million net income, splurged on what has turned out to be an extremely profitable acquisition—albeit only on paper for now—and appears poised for more giddy growth over the next year.


With pricing trends remaining positive and unit shipment continuing strong, Micron executives see only bright and sunny days for the immediate future. Analysts have also said the company's quarterly sales will improve not only year-over-year—a normal expectation in a recovery—but on the average the forecast calls for double-digit sequential growth for Micron's fiscal fourth quarter ending August 10.

Not even Apple Inc., the doyen of technology turnarounds, can lay claim to numbers as amazing as the ones Micron is forecast to post by the end of its current fiscal year. The company's annual sales are expected to climb 80 percent to $8.64 billion in fiscal 2010 from $4.8 billion in fiscal 2009 and then shoot up to $10.9 billion in fiscal 2011.

After three years of losses, the company is seen reporting strong profits for fiscal 2010 and 2011. The losses of the last years as well as the savage sales declines are fading into distant memory.

"We feel the market will trend to higher density chips and that bit consumption will continue to grow throughout 2010. We remain optimistic that market segments such as mobile, consumer electronic devices such as tablets and the SSDs (solid-state drives) will drive demand for higher cycling performance requirements," said Mark Adams, VP of worldwide sales at Micron during the company's recent conference.

Such wild swings are not only expected but have become a normal feature of the DRAM and flash memory market. It's both a blessing and a curse for the memory market, a segment that appears to have too much in common with deep sea king crab fishing; sometimes you hit the mother lode and return with a huge catch while at other times the nets just keep coming up empty with the raging sea threatening to lop off limbs or even sink the boat. Memory manufacturers have not had it so good in years.

For once, all the elements—pricing, inventory, demand, production capacity utilization and even consumer sentiments—appear perfectly lined up. Micron is on a roll, hauling in amazing profits on surging demand, rising capacity utilization, strong volume shipment growth, rising average selling prices, lean supplies across the market and even tighter inventory management by distributors, OEMs and even retail outlets.

"As we come to the end of our fiscal 2010, we are encouraged by the strong demand signals across our channel segments," added Adams. "Our customers continue to seek expanded supply partnerships with us as we continue to lead from a technology and portfolio scale perspective. We see the demand-supply equilibrium in the memory business continuing to work in our favor as we look for continued strong operating performance going forward."




Chronic demand, supply imbalance
The positive conditions Micron executives pointed out during their fiscal Q3 conference call mask one ugly fact; the memory market is still seriously infected with chronic case of demand and supply imbalance.

For now, the pendulum has swung effectively in the direction of parts suppliers, depriving OEMs of the pricing advantages they enjoyed during the years of overcapacity and overproduction when huge losses piled up at component vendors.

Soon, however, OEMs will begin to seek ways to reverse or at least partially reduce the pricing pressures they now face. Whatever actions they take now or in future will invariably lead the industry back to its boom and burst cycle as memory component vendors cave in to OEM supply chain constraints by again jacking up production.

For Micron especially, the good times may last no longer than another year or two, which means executives at the company must start worrying again and preparing soon for another downturn or, in a best-case scenario, less than stellar expansion in a market marked by staggering uncertainties, wild price swings and huge capital expenses. It begs the questions: who would want to play in such a market and can anyone calm this storm?

Even as Micron celebrates its good fortune for the fiscal Q3, the elasticity of the market and its inherent unpredictability remains a major problem for the memory vendors, their OEM customers, suppliers and investors. It's a market that has become a graveyard for many unwitting semiconductor vendors while even those that managed to exit the sector are both humbled and hobbled by the experience for years.

As if to emphasize the cloudy nature of its business, Micron declined to offer any revenue guidance for the current quarter or further ahead. One unstated reason for this is that the company is moving forward to expand production of some next-generation products while try to strike the right balance in the production of NAND and DRAM as well as between lower- and higher margin products.

In the meantime, Micron, according to Adams, the head of sales, remains wary about the current expansion, noting "we're not sitting here in the most robust economy. It is better than in 2009 but people still have the memory of running through the working capital strains of that time period and they are pretty efficient on supply chain and probably a little bit more risk averse than they were a year or two back."

The result is that inventories are low across the industry, helping to push up prices and creating further imbalances in the supply chain as companies manage to immediate demand and production needs rather than focus on longer term requirements.

Lead times across the technology equipment market is being negatively impacted by tightly-timed production systems that OEMs and component suppliers have instituted in response to concerns about ending up with unwanted inventories, iSuppli Corp., said in a statement in which it warned "various key commodity electronic components now are in a state of critically short supply."

The memory sector is less impacted, iSuppli noted but the system remains inefficient, according to the researcher. "When lead times enter the 20-week range, they indicate a major schism between component supply and demand," said Rick Pierson, an analyst at iSuppli.

"The situation is slightly calmer on the memory IC front, where expected future demand and inventory rebuilding efforts are being balanced off by currently soft sales as well as falling prices," iSuppli said. "Nonetheless, troubling signs point to possible severe shortages in NAND flash during the third quarter, especially if suppliers are unable to achieve an optimal mix in production."

Optimal mix in production? That's a worthy goal but one that has always eluded the memory IC market. There are no indications the industry is any closer to finding the right formula for achieving that target.

- Bolaji Ojo
EE Times



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