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To: forceOfHabit who wrote (2)3/24/2010 1:05:42 AM
From: TH1 Recommendation   of 12
 
foH,

I do not disagree with your position, but all things in good time.

I believe that the implications of this bill are not understood and at some point there will be a significant opportunity to short the care providers with impunity.

For example, let us assume that it works out exactly as the health care lobbyist expect, but backlash from the public as well as a breakdown of the system forces the gubbermint to modify. Getting ahead of that, especially after the health care provide stock have greatly appreciated, could be interesting.

Now is the time to collect data and identify potential opportunity. I like to think it is 2004 and we are asking how morons making 30K a year are buying 680K homes in Clownifornia was nothing down.

GT
TH

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From: Chispas3/25/2010 8:31:41 PM
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Goldguru - "Taxes & Inflation" - March 25, 2010 .

You plan for taxation. Best now plan for inflation as well…

"Like most people, I’d say the passage of the healthcare bill wasn’t met with the popping of champagne in my house", writes Jeff Clark, senior editor of Casey’s Gold & Resource Report.

I found myself chanting "Uncle Sam, Uncle Sham" as the day wore on. Higher taxes and other major changes are headed our way. And yet, I think there’s something in the bill that’s even more dastardly....(continued)

goldnewswire.net 

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From: TH3/27/2010 8:58:29 AM
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Another angle to consider are the implications of the bill on the bottom line.

I wish I had time to collect all stories like this, but at the present this is not possible. Please link or post of summary when major stories like this one are released.

GT
TH

news.yahoo.com 


AT&T will take $1B non-cash charge for health care
AP


By BARBARA ORTUTAY, AP Technology Writer Barbara Ortutay, Ap Technology Writer – Fri Mar 26, 7:43 pm ET

NEW YORK – AT&T Inc. will take a $1 billion non-cash accounting charge in the first quarter because of the health care overhaul and may cut benefits it offers to current and retired workers.

The charge is the largest disclosed so far. Earlier this week, AK Steel Corp., Caterpillar Inc., Deere & Co. and Valero Energy announced similar accounting charges, saying the health care law that President Barack Obama signed Tuesday will raise their expenses. On Friday, 3M Co. said it will also take a charge of $85 million to $90 million.

All five are smaller than AT&T, and their combined charges are less than half of the $1 billion that AT&T is planning. The $1 billion is a third of AT&T's most recent quarterly earnings. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the company earned $3 billion on revenue of $30.9 billion.

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To: TH who wrote (7)3/31/2010 5:23:15 PM
From: Don Hurst   of 12
 
>>" – AT&T Inc. will take a $1 billion non-cash accounting charge in the first quarter because of the health care overhaul and may cut benefits it offers to current and retired workers.

The charge is the largest disclosed so far. Earlier this week, AK Steel Corp., Caterpillar Inc., Deere & Co. and Valero Energy announced similar accounting charges, saying the health care law that President Barack Obama signed Tuesday will raise their expenses. On Friday, 3M Co. said it will also take a charge of $85 million to $90 million.
"<<

I find this kind of stuff quite interesting now that the Health Care Reform bill is law.

Do you happen to have any information or public details of what these companies were lobbying for during the nearly 1 and 1/2 years that this bill was being debated.

What did they want in health care reform that they did not get?

Were they telling their Repub reps to just say no and cheering on the insurance industry to keep up the good work that "increased" their competitiveness and profits as Health Care did for the Big Three.

Were they screaming for medical tort reform or cross state line insurance purchase because it made them so much more profitable and competitive?

Did they want to keep pre-existing conditions a barrier to health insurance for kids and others because it benefited their business?

Did they think it made their businesses better by having 40 million Americans uninsured?

Did they think Medicare Advantage plans increased their profits?

Are they upset that they did not get a universal care single payer system which would have greatly reduced their costs and taken them out of the health care business.

Just what were they telling their highly paid lobbyists that they wanted in Health Care Reform which apparently based on all of their efforts over the last several decades was something they did little, it seemed, other than complain about paying for their employees?

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From: Chispas4/1/2010 5:53:03 AM
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"Let me get this straight. We're going to be gifted with a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What the hell could possibly go wrong?" -origin unknown

No link, 321 Gold

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To: Don Hurst who wrote (8)4/1/2010 7:23:27 AM
From: TH   of 12
 
Hello Don,

I do not have answers for your questions, largely because I'm short on time due to excessive automotive BS from that day job thing <ng>

I do know that Clowngress is called a bunch of these companies to come to Clowncentral DC and explain these accounting charges. You know, control that spin and all that. Punish any company that dare accurately estimate the impact the health care overhaul will have on their bottom line.

The difference of course is that the companies actually have to balance their books and prudently inform investors of impacts.

I'll see if I can find some answers over the long weekend.

GT
TH

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To: TH who wrote (10)4/6/2010 8:43:44 PM
From: Don Hurst   of 12
 
TH,

Re that >>" difference of course is that the companies actually have to balance their books and prudently inform investors of impacts "<< and the $1Bn that you posted was a result of HealthCare Reform by "Clowngress", that group of people we elect to represent our interests vs the interests of, let's say, AT&T shareholders.

I just caught the last end of a discussion on CNBC today re this subject and can't tell you what they said accurately but I did read this column by Gail Collins in the NY Times explaining this charge. I gather we taxpayers, that is you and me, were giving AT&T and its shareholders quite a good deal and as a result of the new Reforms which attempt to benefit all Americans (time will tell) that group representing us, you know...Clowngress, has told organizations such as AT&T that the taxpayer largess (is that the same as corporate socialism?) is over. We taxpayers represented by Clowngress have decided we have a better way to use the funds for all Americans.

What do you think about this interpretation?

>>" This week there was an alarming report that AT&T was going to have to reduce its long-term profit estimates by about $1 billion because of the new law — or, as the House minority leader, John Boehner, put it, the newly enacted “job-killing tax increases.” The AT&T charge was for accounting purposes, which is not as much real money as currency-based theology. But still, it did sound bad.

It turned out that the $1 billion goes back to the famous 2003 Medicare prescription drug entitlement passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and paid for through their innovative pretend-it’s-not-there financing system.

In order to keep businesses from ending their drug coverage and dumping their retirees on the federal system, Congress provided a 28 percent reimbursement for the benefits. And, the companies got to deduct the entire cost of the drug plans from their taxes. Including the government subsidy.

Yes! The job-killing tax increase in the new law involves no longer allowing big corporations to take a tax deduction for spending money we gave them. Somehow, this doesn’t seem to have the makings of a Tea Party rally.
"<<

nytimes.com 

Regards,

Don

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To: Don Hurst who wrote (11)4/7/2010 12:33:48 PM
From: TH   of 12
 
Don,

I may have heard the same discussion, or the soundbites from it.

What I understand is that the double-dipping is over. So the retires benefit may or may not stay the same, but the corporations can't get the tax credit anymore.

Perhaps a legitimate positive from the massive bill (which at this point, is still an unknown due to it's mass, implications-as-yet-unknown, and most certainly, hidden pork.

Thanks
TH

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