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To: donpat who wrote (25082)	5/26/2012 9:57:27 AM
From: scion	of 34043

If "Billionaires" were truly involved with JBI, there would be a $50MM or $100MM finance package set up. This to me looks more like a roll of the dice for some quick pocket change to their trust; with a guaranteed ROI in 6 months or a year. 26 investors divided by $10MM is "walking around money" for a billionaire. Billionare investment is not a guarentee of JBIs success or even profitablity. How many billionares, multi-millionares, and millionares invested in Madhoff, Enron, Worldcom, etc, etc? wEaReLeGiOn Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:05:20 AM Re: ponzi_implosion post# 184711 investorshub.advfn.com kezzek Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:19:38 AM Re: ponzi_implosion post# 184711 Post # of 184790 In fact, in every example I can think of where one or more wealthy individuals has invested in a penny stock, they are down significantly on their investment. The problem is, an uprofitable business isn't made profitable by throwing money at it. Getting JB out of the way may help, and perhaps bringing in real expertise, ala Agilyx, may be able to transform the company into one which actually makes money, but it will take a lot more money and time. And yes, a billionaire losing $2 million on their JBI investment is equivalent to a millionaire losing $2k. Hardly something they're going to lose sleep over. investorshub.advfn.com

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To: scion who wrote (25083)	5/26/2012 10:02:48 AM
From: scion	of 34043

Wait, were we not told this would be a "parking ticket" and that the insurance company would pay out? (i) unless such settlement contains a full release of claims against you or such settlement prescribes only the payment of money damages for which the Company agrees to fully indemnify you as well as for reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs of your separate legal counsel incurred by you and (ii) if such settlement requires you to surrender or transfer any Preferred Stock, common stock or options owned by you." wEaReLeGiOn Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:20:47 AM Re: kezzek post# 184771 investorshub.advfn.com kezzek Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:37:58 AM Re: wEaReLeGiOn post# 184779 Post # of 184790 Here's my $64,000 question. How many of the JBI "whales" are invested with any of the VCs and firms invested in Agilyx? agilyx.com investorshub.advfn.com

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To: scion who wrote (25084)	5/26/2012 11:41:14 AM
From: scion	of 34043

My Agilyx question wasn't aimed at comparing the two companies (I think it's pretty clear the major differences in approach - Agilyx uses industry experts and only invests in P2O, JBI uses one self-proclaimed genius, with no background in pyrolysis and lost tens of millions in other businesses). My point was that if there is any technology that JBI develops that IS valuable in the pyrolysis process, $10 million might be a low price to pay for a company with a market cap of over $100 million. Remember, certain events can cause the investors to own all of JB's preferred shares. BTW, I think you'll find the successful visions are funded by VCs, not PIPEs. PIPEs make their money on the discounted price and a little (tongue in cheek) hype. kezzek Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:12:18 AM Re: lytnup post# 184785 investorshub.advfn.com

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To: scion who wrote (23648)	5/26/2012 11:47:39 AM
From: scion	of 34043

A Judas goat is a trained goat used at a slaughterhouse and in general animal herding. The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them to a specific destination. In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared. Judas goats are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and on to trucks. "There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment. They are the sheep who beg to be fleeced and butchered, and who will battle fiercely to preserve their right to be victimized." -- James Randi

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To: scion who wrote (25088)	5/26/2012 11:50:36 AM
From: scion	of 34043

Then the pumps on the message boards start. This is where they herd the "sheep" by posting false information regarding on how great the company is and how if you hold it will make you a millionaire. The paid pumpers, debt holders, ceo's, frontloaders now dump their shares on these sheep who wind up in the end the bagholders. "Fantastic post from a former mark": Message 27938967 MaryStockins Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:40:47 AM Re: BigBake1 post# 21936 Post # of 26165 No thank you. I'm extremely happy this is finally an open topic. The whole scam process disgusts me. Wish they would just shut down the otcbb and pink markets. The pump and dumps are all retail. It's just passing around free trading shares within the brokerage accounts of all these scamsters. The first players have free shares deposited right into their brokerage accounts. Take note with these penny scams there are normally millions upon millions of shares available to pass around amongst the group of scamsters. Then the pumpers let the 2nd players(frontloaders) in on the deal prior to the start of the pump. They load up on shares under the radar for days if not weeks prior to the pump. Next step is the private emails amongst these 2 groups setting up the run. They will take turns hitting the ask with small buys to show buying interest while driving volume up so it starts hitting the radars. They will even put orders in to support the bid to again portray a buying opp. Then the pumps on the message boards start. This is where they herd the "sheep" by posting false information regarding on how great the company is and how if you hold it will make you a millionaire. The paid pumpers, debt holders, ceo's, frontloaders now dump their shares on these sheep who wind up in the end the bagholders. Once all the shares are dumped, money has been made the pumpers leave the sheep/bagholders for dead and go on to the next pump. The scamsters cannot have the sheep sell for then the selling floor is waaaay too crowded. Thus they will do anything to make sure the sheep stay long and strong, holding those shares tight. Some even try to convince them to call their brokers to get certs, so they lol!nasty shorters can't have their shares. So much detail to these pump and dumps. This is only a small part of their dirty little secrets ;) MaryStockins Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:33:22 PM Re: BigBake1 post# 21886 Post # of 26165 Makes complete sense to me that it's all retail. When I first started trading I was quite naive to the scams, paid promotions, etc in Penny World. I actually had a paid promoter offer me a job as a message board promoter. They wanted me to post positives about the company all day and in return they would deposit free trading shares right into my brokerage account. Thank Gawd I'm not that naive and didn't fall for the trap. Sometimes when things look too good there is normally a hidden dirty secret behind it ;) Ooh and when I mentioned a disclaimer they clearly stated it wasn't needed. lo and behold that certain promoter was nailed by the SEC ;) SEC needs to put a stop to non disclosing paid promotions in Penny World and put a stiff penalty on the ones caught doing it. Right now it's too easy to become a promoter. All one needs is a computer, internet access & no integrity. investorshub.advfn.com

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