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To: SteveF who wrote (24786)5/22/2012 1:32:09 PM
From: SteveF of 34005
 
PDP8.COM
1477896 Ontario Limited
5444 Victoria Ave.
Niagara Falls, ON L2G 3L2
Canada
(905) 468-4597

PDP8.COM is a trademark of 1477896 Limited. All other company names and product names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective holders.


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WE HAVE OVER 20,000 DEC & COMPATIBLE MODULES IN STOCK
We now have 10,000 sq. ft. facilities to better serve our customers.

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To: Steady_on who wrote (24762)5/22/2012 1:35:23 PM
From: PaperProphet of 34005
 
Alright, Steady_on, I'm game. Let's see if you can continue a conversation that you yourself started or if you take flight at some point.

To your numbers I'm going to assume that Mr. Bordynuik has to pay market prices for the plastic he's allowed to use, HDPE, PP, PE, and that he doesn't have any logical way of beating or circumventing that market. Let's face it, if he could get those plastic for free or could get paid to take it in any useful quantities like he has said in the past in his 'forward-looking' statements, he could make shareholders rich just by getting "waste" plastic for free and then reselling it on the scrap market.

So we look up scrap prices:

worldscrap.com  is one such site. We'll pick the very cheapest option that fits which, at $0.35 for colored, post-consumer HDPE, is the cheapest by far and we'll assume we can make diesel at 80% efficiency (10% off-gas, 10% carbon and other unusable materials).

Hypothetical ssumptions:
80% efficiency (10% for off-gas, 10% for carbon and other unusable materials.
$0.35/lb or $700/ton.
Cost of pyrolyzing, including catalyst, capital costs and labor: $3 per bbl or $0.07/gallon (just an arbitrary number less than $10/bbl).
Output is pure diesel for this exercise.
Transportation of plastic is free for this exercise.

At 80%, each ton produces 1,600 lbs of fabled diesel at 7 lb/gal or 228.6 gallons.

Cost per gallon: $700/228.6gal + $0.07/gal or $3.13/gallon. ($131.63 to produce each bbl)

Current diesel spot price: $3.003 ( ycharts.com  ). Note that spot prices do not include taxes or any retail markup you typically see at the pump.

So looking at those numbers, it makes more sense to recycle the plastics even if that plastic could be converted to diesel.

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To: SteveF who wrote (24787)5/22/2012 1:36:50 PM
From: SteveF of 34005
 
"A former contributer to the list, IIRC pdp8.com (can't
remember his name) bought out the leftover stock when DEC shut down Maynard. He
had something like 5 truckloads that he brought up to Toronto in U-Haul trucks. I got
in contact with him and eagerly offered to supplement his crew of family and friends,
but was turned down. :^( :^((


The Toronto collectors group I helped start was to do a tour of his operation but fell
apart before it occurred. He seemed to be a nice guy and could possibly offer valid
advice.

In checking his site I see that it is now in Niagara Falls. Don't know whether
he is still the owner but a phone call wouldn't hurt.

PDP8.COM 
1477896 Ontario Limited 
5444 Victoria Ave. 
Niagara Falls, ON L2G 3L2 
Canada 
(905) 468-4597 

Lawrence


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To: SteveF who wrote (24786)5/22/2012 1:45:41 PM
From: SteveF of 34005
 
AINOTL.COM - High-end estate automation systems.

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Wasn't that Seburn's hobby?

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To: SteveF who wrote (24786)5/22/2012 1:47:30 PM
From: scion of 34005
 
AI NOTL SYSTEMS INC

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Established: 10/13/2004

CAGE InformationCompany Name: AI NOTL SYSTEMS INC
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Parent CAGE:
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Postal Zone: L0S 1J0
CAO-ADP: SCN01A - HQ0337
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Country: CAN
Voice Phone Number: 716-304-6711
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Date CAGE Code Established: 10/13/2004

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To: SteveF who wrote (24790)5/22/2012 1:47:43 PM
From: SteveF of 34005
 
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To: scion who wrote (24791)5/22/2012 1:49:56 PM
From: scion of 34005
 
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From: scion5/22/2012 1:51:50 PM
of 34005
 
When will JBI release the names of the 26 that invested in this 80 cent May 2012 PIPE?

Isn't that public information?

How about the 13 "whales" that invested back in January?

When will their names become available?

Generic Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:34:54 PM
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To: PaperProphet who wrote (24788)5/22/2012 1:53:16 PM
From: Steady_on of 34005
 
You assumption that JBI has to pay for plastic is not tenable.

The DEC permits specify that the plastics used by JBI are not recyclable plastics.

They must be plastics that are otherwise bound for a land fill.

According to the EPA that is 92% of all plastics produced are not recycled. So there is a huge amount of plastic available that is presently being disposed of by paying for it to go to landfills.

Just the Facts (from EPA web site)
  • 31 million tons of plastic waste were generated in 2010, representing 12.4 percent of total MSW.
  • In 2010, the United States generated almost 14 million tons of plastics as containers and packaging, almost 11 million tons as durable goods, such as appliances, and almost 7 million tons as nondurable goods, for example plates and cups.
  • Only 8 percent of the total plastic waste generated in 2010 was recovered for recycling.
  • In 2010, the category of plastics which includes bags, sacks, and wraps was recycled at almost 12 percent.
  • Plastics also are found in automobiles, but recycling of these materials is counted separately from the MSW recycling rate.
The primary market for recycled PET bottles continues to be fiber for carpet and textiles, while the primary market for recycled HDPE is bottles, according to the American Chemistry Council.

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To: scion who wrote (24794)5/22/2012 1:58:39 PM
From: scion of 34005
 
They have one "location" -- there's no "s" on there. Plus, they also told you, right here, that they only have one operating "processor" aka "the processor"

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Investing activities include the Company’s cash investment in property, plant and equipment which amounted to $1,201,921 in the current period. This amount includes $35,120 that the Company committed to settle through the issuance of shares. As we continue to grow and expand the number of processors, potential P2O location and make any necessary modifications to the processor, buildings housing the processors and other enhancements, we expect to continue to make significant investment in property, plant and equipment in future periods.

Generic Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:54:24 PM
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