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From: scion4/10/2012 7:35:35 PM
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Then why are the reported numbers contrary to the crap posted by you and others in this space?

bob41 Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:32:30 PM
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Rawnoc Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:29:36 PM
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Profitability is a no brainer -- It costs us less than $5 per barrel to refine crude oil into various products. That includes the high cost of sulfur extraction and recovery, steam generation facilities, hydrotreating and hydrogen gas generation units, solvent extraction, distillation and cracking.

JBII's technology, however, does not have the challenges of sulfur removal and other bad actors.

It becomes easier to understand how much of a no brainer profitability is once one is able to understand the REAL cost structure of other closed loop energy systems. Biodiesel and biofuel, like petroleum refineries, has the vast majority of their costs in the feedstock cost -- a cost that doesn't even exist for JBII.

FEED THE BEAST -- that's what JBII does. Not exactly expensive, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON who's watched one of the beastS in action knows how laughable it is to suggest that these beasts aren't profitable -- with 100% free feedstock, near 100% free energy, and 99% self-automation from that free energy.

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To: scion who wrote (22238)4/10/2012 7:54:09 PM
From: dreaminbig of 34114
 
Go Bob41. The JBI stock selling BEAST needs more posters like this.

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From: dreaminbig4/10/2012 9:16:32 PM
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"Excitement is not a good reason to buy a stock. Revenues is however and that is right around the corner."

Hello? Hello? Hello?


Are you there, hello?


I'm calling from 2009 and I expect, as most other investors do, that JBII with 384 processors online in 2012 in our stated goal of having, at minimum, 2500 procesors up and running within ten years, is well in hand. Okay, if there are only 150 processors running by now, I will feel a little silly, but still hopeful and adamantly supportive of Bordynuik.


Note to self from 2009. If there are less than 200 processors blasting out consumer-ready fuel by 2012, I should seriously consider that I've been just another victim of a pennystock fraud scheme, even though the company hasn't been charged by the SEC with fraud, or any other lawsuits alleging fraud to my knowledge from 2009. Okay, note to self from 2009 over, but not out..yet..


Looking backwards is fun to do for some but that won't make one any money.


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From: Joseph B. Schmidt4/10/2012 9:31:26 PM
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The permits aren't constraining the operations....the operation itself is constraining the operations.

You know the history better than I do, but...
The record shows that the company issued a press release on December 15, 2010 with the headline "JBI, Inc. Plastic2Oil Process Commences Commercial Operation" indicating that it would "allow the Company to immediately run its Plastic2Oil process commercially and begin construction of an additional processor at its Niagara Falls, New York P2O facility".
Immediately apparently means something different to JBI than it does to me.
There were no revenues from that Commercial Operation in Q1 of 2011.
In Q2 of 2011 the P20 segment reported their results this way: "revenues of P20 include fuel sales from the Niagara Falls, New York facility of $47,480 revenue from sale of processed waste product (primarily paper fibre) of $33,621 and incidental revenue from sale of products of $4,914." The "fuel sales", such as they were, weren't constrained by the lack of proper paperwork.

On 6/14/11 the State of NY issued permits that allowed for the following:
"Plastic is to be fed to each of the three rotary kiln
units at a maximum rate of 2,000 lbs/hour per unit, for a total process maximum rate of 6,000 lbs/hour. You can check my math, but at 75% uptime for one processor that permit allows for the production of 9600 barrels of fuel, or an amount adequate to provide $1,056,000 in quarterly sales.

"For the nine month period ended September 30, 2011, revenues of P20 include fuel sales from the conversion of waste plastic at the Niagara Falls, New York facility of $132,957 and revenue from the sale of processed waste product (primarily paper fibre) of $88,696. These sales in the three month period then ended amounted to$85,477 for fuel and $55,075 for processed waste product." Again, the "fuel sales", such as they were, weren't constrained by the lack of proper paperwork.
When it comes to the full years results....or the 4th quarter itself.....the identification of fuel sales disappears entirely. The company readily acknowledges the importance of the P2O operation: "Our P2O business has been operating in a limited commercial capacity since December 2010 and we anticipate that this line of business will account for a majority of our revenues in 2012 and periods thereafter", but chooses to avoid providing the same level of detail that it had provided in the 2 previous quarters. All they chose to reveal was: "For the year ended December 31, 2011, the P2O business generated revenues of $288,442". Given that the total P2O segment sales in the prior quarters were $221,653, even if every penny of 4th quarter sales were "fuel sales", the most those fuel sales for the quarter could have been were $66,789, a drop of more than 20% from the prior quarter. Not as a result of Permit constraints.

I know you are undoubtedly knee deep in good reasons for there having been $200,000 or less in "fuel sales" in the first year of Commercial Operation......a year in which the State of New York provided the company the authority to produce product that had a sales value of $4Million per processor and the authority to operate 3 processors. But given that that actually did occur, why would anyone possibly believe that yet another piece of paper, a piece of paper that is only required based on an email to a poster and as far as I know has never been seen by you, I or anyone else who posts here, is an impediment to this company achieving any significant financial results?

The permits haven't constrained the operation....the operations have constrained the operation. There's no reason to expect that to change. The permit issue seems to be a dangled carrot that is clearly outpacing the donkey.

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To: Joseph B. Schmidt who wrote (22241)4/10/2012 9:43:23 PM
From: dreaminbig of 34114
 
Great post. Hope is shakes some of the cheerleaders awake. Doubt it. Hope.

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To: dreaminbig who wrote (22240)4/10/2012 9:44:37 PM
From: PaperProphet of 34114
 
Re:<" 2500 procesors up and running within ten years">


His exact words were this his “plan is to launch 2500 sites over the next few years." So far he has launched...zero. Although the shills are trying their best to create undercurrents suggesting that a processor is already in full production. My guess is that Mr. Bordynuik is behind that suggestive flow...since it's only 'rumor' through the message boards and nothing official has been announced, he can't get dinged for it when it doesn't happen.

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To: Joseph B. Schmidt who wrote (22241)4/10/2012 9:57:53 PM
From: PaperProphet of 34114
 
...and keep in mind that "P2O fuel sales" doesn't mean plastic-derived fuel sales. The P2O division houses the blending facility and the trucks from Mr. Bordynuik's aunt's boyfriend. That would have been routine to buy fuel from third parties, blend in additives and re-sell that fuel. The blending step can be removed and, voila, it would be listed as P2O fuel sales even though it had nothing to do with the pyrolysis process.

In the fourth quarter of last year, Mr. Bordynuik finally stated that he would be purchasing third party fuel under the guise that such purchases were needed "until [JBI] can build out the capacity to meet the full quantities required by the customer."

Of course there is no such breakdown in the financials as to what, if any, fuel was purchased from third parties and what, if any, fuel was produced from plastic using the P2O process. We're not even high enough on the scale to speculate whether or not Mr. Bordynuik is cooking the books again like he did with P2O cost of sales in previous quarter's statements.

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To: donpat who wrote (22230)4/10/2012 10:07:53 PM
From: PaperProphet of 34114
 
Re:<" -- he received assurances--">


Mr. Bordynuik has to play the 'stupid' card. If he can sell the story to investors that he was only gullible, he has a chance. Otherwise if shareholders start to see that he's dishonest then he will have more difficulty painting the situation as 'juicy' for the next round of PIPE's and PIPE investors might not invest even at a huge discount to market prices.

Shareholders can rest easy, though--their idol isn't suffering because of his penchant for continually 'making mistakes'. He's still paying himself handsomely out of invested funds. If they think he's still only learning then they're the ones picking up the tab for his tuition.

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To: PaperProphet who wrote (22245)4/10/2012 10:21:53 PM
From: dreaminbig of 34114
 
It's too late to claim stupidity. There are too many mistakes.

Withum months before the restatement.
Knowledge about Kidd's lies before the first 10Q with the media credits
Claiming the permits were taking a long time when they hadn't been filed.
Claiming patents that don't exist.
Etc.

Lies. Not stupidity. Lies.

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From: dreaminbig4/10/2012 10:23:21 PM
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"And the pennant that has happened.....

....And Bollinger bands tightening....

Hmmmmm....

What could that portend?"


Borynuik and common shareholders taking it up the Imperial Whazoo?

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