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From: PaperProphet	1/29/2012 2:13:01 PM
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Went over to IHub and saw this from 4kids, "and what none of us knew then >> were the ROADBLOCKS deliberately placed in mgmt's path to obstruct" 4kids doesn't know how correct that statement actually is...the issue is that Mr. Bordynuik doesn't disclose what the current roadblock is supposed to be. I think 4kids believes someone besides Mr. Bordynuik threw those roadblocks/plot twists into the mix and wants to blame that hypothetical third party. Last spring according to Mr. Bordynuik in the 10-Q, "The Company now has all facets in place to allow comprehensive commercial operations to proceed." By now everyone realizes that there's a "facet" still missing but nobody knows what it is and no shareholder will get up the nerve to send Mr. Bordynuik an e-mail to ask. Even Steady_T, content with the six-month time frame he generated in his own mind, won't ask.

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From: PaperProphet	1/29/2012 2:30:45 PM
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Had to laugh at this statement from Rawnoc struggling to understand NSS, "I have too much REAL WORLD experience naked shorting. This is a debate I can't lose." Apparently he either thinks that he can check a box for a short sale at his broker to make it 'naked' or he's referring to his dress code while he's trading. It looks like there's some 'misses' on both sides of that shorting debate on IHub, not that I think it's important because it's extremely hard, if not impossible, to short JBI's stock. Kezzek has a partial point in that buying PIPE shares and, if it were easy to short, someone could immediately short the stock and lock in the difference between the market price and the price paid in the PIPE. As far as shorting in general if you own stock, I was a 'victim' of brokers not letting investors short if they were long on the stock--five or so years ago a company called Neomagic put out some news and the entire float traded every day for a while after that. It hit around $10 per share but my broker didn't have any shares available that I could short against. I put in order after order to try to short any available shares and they were trickling in at 100 shares at a time. Unfortunately on one trade I accidentally hit 'buy' in my rapid-fire ordering instead of 'sell short' and I purchased 100 shares instead of shorting 100. Once that purchase went through, I wasn't allowed to try to short anymore and I couldn't even sell my long position without first liquidating my hard-earned short position. I decided to keep the short position I got rather than starting over.

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To: ihubdetectivey who wrote (17923)	1/29/2012 3:45:06 PM
From: Joseph B. Schmidt	of 34538

Two questions for a detective: 1) Why was it necessary for JB to go out and purchase another shell to buy the tape business? Expedite2 already had it with a clean balance sheet and cash of $1,241,688 Pg. 2: sec.gov 2) When 310Holdings purchased the tape business, why was the cash left behind and whatever became of it? And does Expedite2 still own the 809,593 of JBII it got in return for buying the tape business? pg. 11: sec.gov 13. Subsequent Events: On July 15, 2009, 310 Holdings, Inc. entered into an asset purchase agreement to purchase and assume certain assets of John Bordynuik, Inc. (“JBI”), a Delaware corporation. Under the terms of the Agreement, the Company will issue 809,593 shares of common stock, par value $0.001 per share in consideration for the assets of JBI.

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To: scion who wrote (17944)	1/29/2012 4:38:26 PM
From: scion	of 34538

Speaking of the loopholes you mentioned, I read your earlier gushing post about being a "former naked shorter" wEaReLeGiOn Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:51:53 PM Re: Rawnoc post# 161555 Post # of 161647 Please read my post more carefully. I didn't claim to make $50k, I made a $50k short borrowing my own shares, for a tidy sum (it was a few thousand dollars that I netted). Speaking of the loopholes you mentioned, I read your earlier gushing post about being a "former naked shorter". "As an ex naked shorter myself, believe me, these guys are very creative in finding legal loopholes." I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts with regard to this post- I also noticed we haven't been hearing the YOY stats lately, care to remind us today? TIA investorshub.advfn.com The SEC doesn't have time or resources to look through crack-pot NSS PinkSheet stories, anymore than they have to date (none of them amounting to anything). I'd say they're well aware that PinkSheet gamblers don't read all of the warnings about buying into PinkSheet stock stories, offered by the SEC. I for one, would rather see their resources being spent clamping down on PinkSheet promoters who regularly run afoul of 17b disclosures, and cause financial and emotional harm to unsophisticated 'investors' while they themselves are given stock for their canned promotions in various companies to push these garbage stocks. There is no shortage of cases brought to bear upon these dregs of society, whereas "NSS" has been shown in the OTC to be nothing more than artifice, and often an artifice offered up by these touts and louts as to why their PinkSheet promotion is under water. I hope the SEC investigation into JBII reveals any consultants that were paid to promote the stock, assuming the consultants didn't just show up at JBI's office and receive cash or equivalent in lieu of shares. I'm sure you'd agree? ---------------------- If you "made" $50K shorting your own shares on JBII then you also lost $50k at the exact same time on your long side. investorshub.advfn.com Rawnoc Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47:38 AM Re: bladelawless post# 130212 Post # of 161651 As an ex naked shorter myself (when it was legal), I can appreciate the desire to short an OTC with this kind of "news," however, this one is way too dangerous to short. It's too real and the infraction mentioned in the CA suits has got to be the weakest case I've seen in hundreds of them. Media credit valuation from 2 years ago (when they were brand new to the public markets) that the company voluntarily restated? In this awful market, there are far better and easier shorts with not so much lethal risk (to the short). Just sayin' investorshub.advfn.com Rawnoc Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:18:22 AM Re: Mikey post# 169 Post # of 189 Yes, I've been shorting stocks for 13 years and have made thousands of transactions on the short side. I also used to naked short back when it was legal. Live it? I have breathed it. I know EXACTLY how it works. You get the money up front. Where did you think the money comes from? The short sellers' fairy godmother? If a stock goes from $23 to $1, the cover at $1 is peanuts. The profit comes from the initial $23 shorted at as you get that cash IMMEDIATELY and INSTANTLY. investorshub.advfn.com

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To: scion who wrote (17945)	1/29/2012 4:49:07 PM
From: scion	of 34538

Would you please then walk us through how one can naked short and still maintain a position bypassing the reported Shorts as well as the timeline requirements from reported FTD to RegSHO Threshold Security status? jimmenknee Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:04:08 PM Re: Rawnoc post# 161570 Post # of 161653 Would you please then walk us through how one can naked short and still maintain a position bypassing the reported Shorts as well as the timeline requirements from reported FTD to RegSHO Threshold Security status? No one has ever been able to make the math work against the reported JBI numbers. Secondly, what is your opinion as to why buyins.net does not pick up on this supposed NSS problem? investorshub.advfn.com Rawnoc Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:46:49 PM Re: kezzek post# 161565 Post # of 161653 Nah. You just sell instead of shorting. There is no financial trading profit advantage to shorting against the box. Your short shares aren't "reserved" either since they're tied to your own shares so if you sell your long position your broker will alert you to a forced cover if he can't find the shares to short elsewhere. I have too much REAL WORLD experience naked shorting. This is a debate I can't lose. investorshub.advfn.com

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From: the_big_guy	1/29/2012 9:04:36 PM
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language.. language... investors gettin' restless.. techisbest Share Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:57:09 PM Re:None Post # of 161705 &lt SCRIPT language='JavaScript1.1' SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?"&gt&lt /SCRIPT&gt&lt NOSCRIPT&gt&lt A TARGET="_blank" HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?"&gt&lt IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?" BORDER=0 WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 ALT="Advertisement"&gt&lt/A&gt&lt /NOSCRIPT&gt iHub is such a Fucking joke. I post messages from the past made here on this board as an example of how wrong we have been about the future and they are all deleted. Sure seems like the admins are in bed with many of the cheerleaders here. Assholes. I'm keeping this one around as soon as I post it. doubt this will last: investorshub.advfn.com Immediate reply;: techisbest Share Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:59:19 PM Re:techisbest post# 161703 Post # of 161706 &lt SCRIPT language='JavaScript1.1' SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?"&gt&lt /SCRIPT&gt&lt NOSCRIPT&gt&lt A TARGET="_blank" HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?"&gt&lt IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N3941.132147.INVESTORSHUB/B5828912.7;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;sz=300x250;pc=[TPAS_ID];ord=[timestamp]?" BORDER=0 WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 ALT="Advertisement"&gt&lt/A&gt&lt /NOSCRIPT&gt No doubt that last one gets me booted. C'est la vie. wow, this is going to get ugly if it does go down hard, which is likely. &lta href='http://as1.investorshub.com/oasis/oasisi-i.php?s=643&ampw=600&amph=19&ampt=_blank' target='_blank'&gt &ltimg src='http://as1.investorshub.com/oasis/oasisi-i.php?s=643&ampw=600&amph=19&ampt=_blank' width="600" alt="" height="19" border="0" /&gt&lt/a&gt

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