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From: Kitskid4/9/2011 2:36:21 AM
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From: Kitskid4/15/2011 1:02:44 AM
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From: Kitskid4/15/2011 3:08:42 AM
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So, in consideration of this, with respect to Jacque - I will no longer be actively publicly representing TZM or TVP.
I could address his hasty statements directly, but I am not going to do that to myself as it's simply sad.

This falls on the heels of a level of personal exhaustion and general life frustration which requires personal time anyway.

I will continue to orient a radio show rotation of new speakers, content and help with event days and the many other project based issues in the background... I will also continue to personally finance the global movement's work...but I want everyone to know that I am removing myself as a forefront spokesman... a figure I never wanted to be, in fact. A position which has neg affected my personal and mental health a great deal, to be frank.

So, this is good grounds to see how many out there can lift themselves to high levels of communication. I have also informed TVP that all major press will be turned over to them so they can make sure "their" message is "accurate"... as apparently mine isn't.

At the end of the day, let it be known that I don't care about TZM or TVP or "Jacque Fresco" or "Peter Joseph" as entities to be perpetuated.

I care about a new, working social system only and I will not stop with that pursuit in the long run.

~peter

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From: Kitskid4/19/2011 3:05:38 AM
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Hello everyone.

I have been trying to get my head around this situation and wanted to run down the course of events with respect to TVP and TZM.

In 2008 I visited TVP and interviewed Jacque without having a clear idea of what they were about yet. I was trying to give the viewer of what was to be Z: Addendum a sense of possibility.

During the course of my research on Jacque during this period I came to understand how wrong I had been in many ways and how powerful the train of thought is with respect to the RBE model.

During the development of Addendum, which in many ways served as a gratuitous advertisement for TVP (because I really was excited about the perspective), I took a risk to include at the end "Join the Movement"
This was an experiment. I had no idea what to expect.

Jacque always stated that he wanted to "get to leaders" to get these ideas going.
My view was to get to the community moreso. I had little confidence ( still do ) with the idea that country leaders, politicians or the like would see this as a viable possibly without pressure. The indoctrination is just too high in most cases.

So- TZM was born as an interest to create "critical mass" which would serve as a pressure for the establishment. Since my experience and interest in activism was always around MLK Jr. and Gandhi, I knew that, historically speaking, it would take a "revolution" of some sort and we need a peaceful mass to take the message to world. Hence the Social Movement.

From the period of 2008 to 2010 I visited TVP many times. I went twice to shoot Moving Forward footage and to get as much input as I can.

With few exceptions, all scripts, lectures, pdfs videos went to them before being published and anything that needed correction- was.

It is now that I see that the real problem has to do with not the following of the RBE Model concept… but rather the lack of following of TVP personal path of interest as an institution.

As many know, I was in support of their Film but didn't like the idea of direct, personal ZM donations for such a huge project. It seemed a slap in the face to me and others who have gone out of their way to not incorporate money and not expect the community to hold anyone up financially. It would be diff if the project also had a decent level of feasibility and possible return- this is not the case as per my 10 years of working in the film industry as an editor, producer and director.

I was rather working to get connections… in fact I had a line going to Ridley Scott. But …not much I can do now.

Anyway, at no point did I get a message from TVP saying "hey peter- you got this technical issue wrong- we need to fix." I would have immediately done so. Instead, it seems to be "oh- you wont support our drive to raise millions for a new film. well- you are not following us therefore we don't want to work with you."

This, again, on the heels of the most difficult film execution I have ever done at an extreme financial and personal expense… and that film promotes TVP more than anything, once again. I even went out of my way to make Fresco the ultimate "hero" character in it.

So then he/they come out with this idea that:
1) I don't credit him
2) It isn't the "direction"
and the ultimate that even I cant not get pissed off about
3) I want to be "center stage".

All three points are absurd if anyone has paid any attention to my public life and statements.

Even more- TZM has had a link to their 501c through the Support page for 3 years. Thousands of dollars (at least) have been given to TVP through us and the Movement work. I have never questioned them on this, nor have any demands been made. I always trusted them. So, given the fact that myself and many here have gone out of their way, at great hardship both personal and financial, to offer support to Jacque's work (even as an institution)…. only to have it all thrown back in such a poor, childish way is simply sad.

All Roxanne had to do was issue a public apology to myself and the movement. "oops! Jacque was just in a mad mood!"

Nothing. Now, it is becoming clear that Roxanne, along with Andrew Buxton and others are working to further divide. They don't want resolution. They don't want help.

So, pending anything new, I am left to suggest one thing: Re-Structure The Movement and build our knowledge based from the train of thought itself - not from the TVP's/Fresco's establishment.

We have gone too far as of now and TZM's potential is tremendous. We cant stop now, with or without them. I am very sad about it, but I did nothing to bring this on - nor did the community.

Peter.

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From: Kitskid4/25/2011 1:20:00 AM
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TZM TVP Divorce!

Yes, after a day of reflecting on all of this, it does indeed seem as if Peter has undertaken an epic backpedaling adventure. Let's remember that PJ was happily licking Fresco's boots up until the day he got dumped by the old man. As a purely reactionary measure, it seems PJ is finally acknowledging what needs to be done.

I think the main reason he has been so dense and ineffective when it came to running his "movement" ..i.e. clone army, lies within his own sense of self-importance and how he puffs his own skillset as the primary importance of TZM. His main skills consist of: film-making, advertising and music. Naturally being the "leader" of the cause, he emphasizes the importance of his own skills over the real catalog of talents and disciplines (the real science him and Jacque vaguely ramble on and on about) needed to pursue the project of societal redesign. The latter he deferred to TVP, an "organization" espousing JF's vague designs and broad social ideals, an effort that ultimately has failed to gain reach far outside the old man's little Jetson's retreat in Venus, Fl. I find it funny that Fresco is NOW finally admitting the type of occupations that need to be on-board the project to make it work. Prior to PJ hijacking the nowhere project, Fresco was all-too happy gloating about the value of free-thinking generalists while downplaying credentialed specialists as nothing more than mindless cogs in the monetary machine.

Fresco's own deep-rooted hatred of "credentialism" is rooted in his own background as an industrial designer with no formal degree or training. Certainly, we can't deny the man is highly intelligent and a great critical thinker (though few of his ideas are original). He can clearly see the forest for the trees unlike the majority of the population. Just like PJ, Fresco over-emphasizes the role of his own skillset in terms of social-industrial redesign. Because of his lack of credentials, his career advancement had consistently been hampered, thus this particular issue being a real sour spot for him.

Let's go back even further to Fresco's own ideological predecessor, Howard Scott, the primary founder of the Technocracy movement which spanned in noticeable popularity roughly from 1919 - the late 1930s. Scott was a ditch-digger who passed himself off as an Engineer. (sound familiar?) He became a free-thinking bohemian type and settled in NYC's Greenwich Village where he happened to live in the same apartment building as the eccentric, rouge economist/social theorist Thorstein Veblen. Scott befriended Veblen and was heavily influenced by his radical ideas on how Capitalism was becoming a total contradiction in terms of what the modern industrial efficiency was capable of providing for society. Scott pretty much stole a lot of Veblen's original ideas and subsequently formed the Technocracy movement (mostly based on those ideas) which gained a quick following in the 1920s and really took off once once the Great Depression was in full-swing. Scott was an egotistical personality who tried to rule the movement like a dictator (sound familiar?) and ended up alienating many of the other great minds (some of whom would splinter off and form sub-movements...sound familiar??) on-board. Just past the peak of the height of Technocracy's popularity in the 1930s, Jacques Fresco became a member and absorbed the movement's key ideas but quickly left due to a personal beef with Scott (serious ego-clashing, most likely).

So yeah pretty much Fresco ripped off Technocracy, (in addition to Bucky Fuller, Santiago Caltrava and maybe even Walt Disney..haha) who's founder ripped off the great Thorstein Veblen. There's clearly been an ego pattern established with these otherwise gound-breaking, Post-Capitalist movements.

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From: Kitskid5/29/2011 2:36:03 AM
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