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Hey there :)
Peter, please hold on a second, I need to address VTV first as he is your personal online bodyguard or to be precise - "forum watch dog".
VTV, since you are practicing banning people here, I have a cool idea for you! Since this movement is all about automation, if you'll pay me $500, I'll make an add-on to Joomla software that will allow you (and only you! since you are very special!) to ban people via voice recognition technology!
All you have to do is to say - "Ban the asshole!" into your microphone, the software will lookup the user "asshole" and f*ck*ng ban him!
How cool is that?
By the way, don't bother banning me as I'll unregister after posting this and also I'll post it on RBEF so don't bother deleting this post, if you'll do, I assure you'll regret it in a long run, to understand why, read on.
What really bothers me is that you and all the other offshoots refuse to truly deal with this issue. Yes - I know - to build and get physical is more tangible than trying to change a culture - it feels "real"- but you are going to have to face facts. I sincerely wish you all would "get" this and work with us on the broad communication effort. All you have done is create division, in fact, which only slows us as a whole. The more offshoots- the more confusion. You are only hurting yourself and everyone else. However, once Zeitgeist: Moving Forward hits theaters you are going to see a multi-fold increase in membership here. All the offshoots will be left in the dust... so I say - join US. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.
If you don't mind, I'll break your post into statements and address them in order I choose to make my point without compromising the integrity of your message.
However, once Zeitgeist: Moving Forward hits theaters you are going to see a multi-fold increase in membership here.
So, you are trying to scare us off into submission by your new movie? Maybe this is not what you meant by it sure sounds like it. Do you honestly believe we (a.k.a. offshoots) afraid of your new movie?
Let me tell you something, we (a.k.a. offshoots) more happy about your movies than you can even imagine! I personally was advertising Z-Day 2010 like there is no tomorrow!
Do you know why? Because for the past year, entire ZM was acting like an advertising agency for so called offshoots (which are by the way growing individually and in the process of merging).
After your new movies comes out, all offshoots are going to advertise it because the pattern will be as usual! People come here, speak out their minds and then get banned! What happens next? They are joining so called offshoots! So, PLEASE release your movies, we need more movies!!! Please!!! Can you make 20 more? We really need more members! It is great to have a professionally done materials to advertise offshoots and we don't even have to pay for it! All we have to do is to sit and wait until they'll come to us!
Thank you Sir for making your great movies!
(VTV, I know you don't like this kind of sarcasm, so, for real, think about my proposal, I agree to do it for $450! How about that?)
All you have done is create division, in fact, which only slows us as a whole.
Let me tell you my personal outlook on it. Back in 2009, before the first annual Zeitgeist Day, a group of very dedicated people gathered together to help YOU (excuse me, us) and since we were unable to reach you out (since you were busy preparing for Z-Day and working on Orientation Presentation which was/is great by the way!) we decided to help the movement by making extra short film/clip. Precisely to spread awareness, as you remember, it is called the "Transition Plan". Maybe it was not as great and thought out as well as your movies are, but hey, it was done in the matter of 4 days and it was a great team work!
I know how it all may look like from your side of the story but from ours, we worked out asses (VTV, I said "asses", illegal word!!! $400 for software?) off to help to spread awareness and to show people that not only few people are working on presentation materials... so, instead of Thank you, or simply ignoring us... we got f*ck YOU (VTV? $390?) from your Sir.
So, how are we creating the division? By giving people the space online to speak out? By developing projects to help RBE idea? By not banning people for critique? By spreading the word?
In the past 2 years, I convinced (not just spread the word, but actually sat down with people and explained and watched all the materials with them) about 20 people, on my own! Around the same amount (20 people) who I wasn't been able to convince, think I'm totally nuts, but it is ok, I done my job. As exponential function tells me, each person needs to convince only 2 people.
If you convinced 2 people, you done your job. If every person convinced just 2 people and then they convince 2 each which is 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, 32768, 65536, 131072, 262144, 524288, 1048576, 2097152, 4194304, 8388608, 16777216, 33554432, 67108864, 134217728, 268435456, 536870912, 1073741824, 2147483648, 4294967296, 8589934592 -- a little bit more than population on the planet :P
In other words, if each person convinces 2 people he knows, in 33 steps we'll convince whole planet, all of its people and extra almost 3 billions of animals, Aliens, insects, gods, plants and microbes!
So trust me, I done my job!
On the other hand, on top of convincing people I also an expert software developer with almost 20 years of experience. I can program a f*ck*ng (VTV, $380?) toaster if it is build on binary complexity.
So I have a choice here, either to run around with DVDs on the street, or, actually contribute to the movement by develop it technically.
Which would you prefer?
All the offshoots will be left in the dust... so I say - join US.
"All the offshoots will be left in the dust..." <-- it is a very bad strategy to base your conclusions on assumptions. Don't forget, you are a public figure, we know what you are doing, how, when and why. You on the other hand, don't know anything about us, what we are doing and planning. Please do not assume or you'll make yourself look bad in the long run.
"so I say - join US." <-- is this a demand? a request? proposition? threat? What do you mean when you say join US? We have joined you, we totally support RBE idea, we are working towards it!
Why not working towards the idea with you? The whole issue comes down to respect! By banning people or assuming they don't understand the direction without even talking to them shows disrespect! The lack of respect to each other will make this movement to fail. That's why so called offshoots are going to "win" (P.S. we are not competing) because we respect the people and that's why some of the chapters are in the process of joining us and many scientists are going to meet us soon as well.
It all comes down to respect! You are banning people assuming they are trolling but realistically it is the other way around, you ban people and THEN THEY ARE TROLLING. Take a look at what problems you got yourselves into with the guy "anticultists". Very intelligent guy was here 24/7 and on the web talking about the movement (yeah! spreading the word) and after disrespect, he spends the same amount of time disrespecting the movement. This is just one example... I can go on but I think you already know it.
We live in cause and reaction world, you said it yourself. The more people you'll disrespect, the more rejected the movement will become, which is great for so called offshoots! PLEASE BAN EVERYBODY, WE NEED MORE MEMBERS TO MAKE RBE HAPPEN!!!
Even thought I'll charge VTV for voice recognition banning system, I'll do mass banning module for ZM for FREE!
So, in summary, we are not causing division, YOU ARE!
Why do you think offshoots are forming? Because we cannot let the beautiful idea of RBE to be ruined by such an attitude you are having at the moment. We won't let you do it.
Otherwise you are just wasting your time.
Well, lets see. So far we almost completed the cybernetic system you been talking about in your orientation presentation, we are establishing the new platform for scientists to work on the problem, we are working on transition plan, we are building the tools needed for community to efficiently communicate without language barriers, so, tell me, how are we wasting our time?
It is the other way around actually, you are (well, not you directly, you are doing a great job by promoting offshoots with your movies) wasting your time.
What really bothers me is that you and all the other offshoots refuse to truly deal with this issue.
We are dealing with the issue, we removed the enemy of all movements (DISRESPECT) from our attitude and doing great!
Do you really want to deal with this division problem? All you need is to follow the steps!
* Publicly apologize to all offshoot groups for disrespect. Admit that you was acting like an asshole (if you'll actually use these words, you'll get more respect and yeah, VTV, I used the word asshole so, $370 + pack of cigarettes?)
* Remove moderative privileges from VTV as he is the biggest troll in the movement. The guy makes great radio shows yet have 0 technical knowledge, 0 sense of character judgment. Instead of asking person what he means, he jumps into discussion he has no knowledge in and usually bans users without understanding what the conversation is all about.
* STOP BANNING PEOPLE!!! If you are worried about so called trolls, make a special section for them to communicate. If you worry about extra traffic used by "trolls", we can use RBEF server's traffic to process their requests. In other words, let people speak, either address critique or simply ignore it. Banning people will be more expensive in the long run since now you have to waste your precious time defending the movement from people who actually supported it before they got disrespected.
* Let knowledgable people to take the lead, in other words, make ZM community moderate itself, not few kids who acting like robots and read to certain words and react to so called "offensive" words. Words like "f*ck" (VTV $355.50?), "s**t" (VTV $355.49?), "a*s" (VTV $355.48?), "d*ck" (VTV $355.47?) do not mean anything, if you disagree, please go ask Mr Jaque Fresco, he'll tell you everything about so called "bad" words.
* Cancel your rules. This is becoming ridiculous, people are being banned for so called "ad-homein" attacks. If person A calls person B an idiot and person B gets offended by it, then he is a f*ck*ng (VTV, $350 + 2 packs of cigarettes?) idiot! Why? Because person A doesn't know ANYTHING about person B except for his nickname. It is as ridiculous as the people who doesn't understand the movement and rejecting it based on their personal projections.
* Make an apology letter to all banned people (yeah, including those who called you an asshole (VTV $350 + beer? You can get one for yourself too!), it was a result of the disrespect, not the cause), un-ban them and send them the letter.
* Remove this test after registration. People want to have space for communication and ask questions. Test to enter the movement? It is like going into college and you need to pass FINAL EXAM to enter it. Is it even logical?
If you'll follow these steps, trust me Peter, all offshoots will join back and ZM will actually start progressing faster than you can even imagine.
If you'll continue your policies, mark my words, ZM will die off and actual offshoots are going to establish RBE. Please also do not assume the so called offshoots do not understand RBE concept, we are, having doubts? Lets have an open conversation on your radio show, I assure you it is going to be very entertaining for our listeners and if VTV will be there, it will be humiliating for him!
The whole issue is disrespect, fix your attitude and you'll see not only offshoots joining you but all other movements.
VTV, $350 is my final offer! The price just for you, because you are special! Peter, please convince the guy to pay me and then remove moderative status from him! Lets screw the guy and go have a beer at his expense, I also live in Brooklyn :P