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From: Kitskid	9/7/2010 1:39:59 AM
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The Venus Project Design Volunteers Registration thevenusprojectdesign.com Thank you all for your continued interest and involvement in the development of the Venus Project movies and media, in particular with the 3D and CAD volunteers. At the present we are working on developing strategies and directives to clarify the mission statement for all who have so kindly volunteered to help. We need everyone to be aware that participation is on a voluntary basis only. If your piece is used there will certainly be name credits applied in the production. Content created for The Venus Project by a "volunteer" will be accepted as creative donations to The Venus Project and will become property of TVP to be used in an educational capacity as is directed by The Venus Project or its not for profit organization, Future By Design and can not be displayed in personal portfolios, resumes, websites or any other media. Any sketches or designs sent from The Venus Project to artists must be kept confidential and are not meant to be distributed to anyone else without written consent. We trust that all who chose to volunteer for this direction understand the need to keep integrity and we are grateful for your contributions and commitment. Please tick the box on our registration form to confirm you have read this agreement. Regards Andrew Buxton The Venus Project Design (For and on Behalf of The Venus Project) www.thevenusprojectdesign.com

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From: Kitskid	9/10/2010 2:27:24 AM
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mises.org Venus Needs Some Austrians Mises Daily: Monday, August 30, 2010 by Robert P. Murphy During my trip to Haiti, I got into a discussion with my fellow volunteers about the financial crisis. Things were going quite well as we all agreed that the rich investment bankers deserved no taxpayer bailout. However, my hopes were dashed when one of the more intellectual guys suddenly declared the problem was capitalism, and that a "resource-based economy" would relieve the world of scarcity. Apparently this idea is catching on; a reader emailed me the grandiose description of "the Venus Project." Although the people involved are admirably doing what they can to rid the world of injustice, they lack basic knowledge of economics. In the present article, I'll run over some of the biggest gaps in their proposal. The Venus Project According to the website, The Venus Project is an organization that proposes a feasible plan of action for social change, one that works towards a peaceful and sustainable global civilization. It outlines an alternative to strive toward where human rights are no longer paper proclamations but a way of life. We operate out of a 21.5-acre Research Center located in Venus, Florida. Resource-Based Economy For our purposes in this article, the website's section on a "Resource-Based Economy" is much more interesting: The term and meaning of a Resource-Based Economy was originated by Jacque Fresco. It is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resources; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival. I am going to be quite critical of the Resource-Based Economy (RBE) in the remainder of this article, so I want to start off on a positive note: I don't believe that these thinkers are wrong in their visions of what life on Earth could be like. Their website is filled with beautiful visions of sea colonies and pollution-free technology, and I agree with them that the world could easily look like this in a few decades. However, these idealists are wrong to blame our current, dysfunctional world on capitalism or money per se. On the contrary, if everyone respected each other's property rights — meaning there would be no more petty crime, but also no more taxation, military conscription, or drug prohibition — then humanity would become fantastically wealthy, in material terms. (I give just a taste of the potential bounty in this article.) In fact, in a truly free world, in which billions of people grew up never knowing of theft — let alone of mass murder — the productivity of labor and corresponding standard of living could be so high that, by our present standards, people would seem to be living in a "postscarcity" condition. Now of course, this technically wouldn't be true, so long as the laws of physics were the same, and so long as the human mind created ever more desires. But consider someone in our real world right now, who goes from living on the streets in Calcutta to being adopted by a middle-class family in suburban America. When this person goes with his new family into a Costco or a Sam's Club, he enjoys the air conditioning that relieves him from the outside heat. If he has to go to the bathroom, he can do so. He can get a drink of water at the fountain and then he can go throughout the store, eating samples of delectable food. At the end, his adoptive parents might leave the store without having purchased anything. The former beggar from Calcutta would be astounded at all the "free" goods and services he just enjoyed, and he might understandably conclude that America is a land of abundance, whereas India is a land of want. What I am arguing, then, is that in a truly free world, where we all respected each other's property, the rise in living standards would be analogous to our hypothetical boy who moves from the streets of Calcutta to the suburbs of Maine. In that fantastic world, giving someone a "free" heart surgery might be as cheap as giving someone a piece of gum in our current society. If such a world really is technologically possible, we should cut the socialist dreamers some slack. Their fault lies not with their vision, but with their plans for achieving it. Did World War II Disprove the Existence of Scarcity? The website gives an odd historical illustration of its principles: A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources rather than money, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all. Consider the following examples: At the beginning of World War II the US had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was no, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war. Let's think about what the writers mean by saying the United States at the start of World War II "did not have enough money" to pay for the war effort. Presumably, they mean that the American public would never have consented to the explicit taxation (and government borrowing) that would have been necessary for Uncle Sam to persuade resource owners to voluntarily hand over their items to the government. So what did the federal government do to overcome this "lack of money"? Why, it simply forced American citizens to scale back their own consumption, in order to free up scarce resources and redirect them into war production. Specifically, the Federal Reserve created money out of thin air to lend to the government: At the same time, the government physically threatened anyone who dared to raise prices above the permissible limits. The result was that the fraction of total output going to the private sector drastically fell during the war years: Government and private components of real gross domestic product (billions of chained 2000 US dollars, source: BEA) Before leaving this section, I should point out that the above chart misleadingly gives the impression that total output went up during the war years. Yet as Bob Higgs points out, this is a statistical artifact of massive government expenditures coupled with price controls. Simply put, the Fed and banking system flooded the economy with new money, raising the "numerator," while the government made it illegal for merchants to raise prices, thus holding down the "denominator." Therefore, "real GDP" figures show a huge burst during the war years, but these numbers are meaningless. Contrary to the claims of the RBE website, World War II did not illustrate the productive powers of mankind. On the contrary, it showed how incredibly wasteful and monstrous human affairs can become when property rights are systematically violated. Ignoring the Lessons of the Calculation Debate Our writers offer little explanation of where this newfound abundance will come from, but they do say this: As we outgrow the need for professions based on the monetary system, for instance lawyers, bankers, insurance agents, marketing and advertising personnel, salespersons, and stockbrokers, a considerable amount of waste will be eliminated. This view demonstrates either that the writers have never heard of the socialist-calculation debate or that they failed to learn its lessons. Ludwig von Mises showed that money prices are not arbitrary; it really means something when a firm suffers a loss. Specifically, when a firm loses money it means that customers are not willing to pay as much for the finished product (or service) as the firm had to spend acquiring inputs. Loosely speaking, then, a firm that loses money is one that takes valuable resources and turns them into something that society values less. Mises put his finger on the fundamental problem with socialism. If the state owns all the resources, then there can be no market prices for the tractors, kilowatt-hours, barrels of oil, and other things necessary for production. Looking at the various productive enterprises in operation at any moment, the central planners won't have a common denominator for all of the different combinations of inputs going into each one. The planners won't know if a particular car factory "makes sense," because they will just have an enormous stream of data describing the various resources going into the factory, and the amount of finished cars coming out of the factory. These brute facts alone don't tell the planners if they are efficiently using the resources being consumed in the factory. Returning to the quotation above, our RBE writers don't realize that their world would still require the services of bankers, insurance agents, and advertising personnel. Whether conducted at the individual level, or by "society" through a group of representatives, people would still need to decide how much of their resources to save, and how much to invest in various enterprises. They would also need to decide how to deal with the possibility that key workers could drop dead of a heart attack, upsetting their production plans. Furthermore, even in the RBE utopia, there would still be constant product innovation. Citizens would need to be informed of the new options, so that production decisions could change to reflect the public's desires. Thus we see that even the RBE would require some form of bankers, advertisers, etc. Competition as a Discovery Procedure Our writers overlook one of the key insights of Friedrich Hayek when they claim, Considerable amounts of energy would also be saved by eliminating the duplication of competitive products such as tools, eating utensils, pots, pans and vacuum cleaners. Choice is good. But instead of hundreds of different manufacturing plants and all the paperwork and personnel required to turn out similar products, only a few of the highest quality would be needed to serve the entire population. Our only shortage is the lack of creative thought and intelligence in ourselves and our elected leaders to solve these problems. Yet as Hayek pointed out decades ago, it is not a given fact what the "highest quality" products are, nor how to create them in the most economical way. Our society currently enjoys very high-quality tools, eating utensils, pots, etc., precisely because entrepreneurs are in constant rivalry with each other, striving to "steal" customers away from each other, through offering better products at lower prices. Conclusion Our present world is manifestly unjust. In addition to wars and genocides, there are also pockets of shocking poverty that could be quickly eradicated if only the right social institutions were in place. Those championing the Resource-Based Economy recoil in horror from our present world, and understandably so. Yet because they have obviously not studied Austrian economics, they have misdiagnosed the problem. Abolishing money will not solve the world's problems, because money is an indispensable tool to aid in economic calculation. Rather, the way to raise the material standard of living around the world is to foster a universal respect for property rights. Robert Murphy is an adjunct scholar of the Mises Institute, where he will be teaching "Principles of Economics" at the Mises Academy this fall. He runs the blog Free Advice and is the author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism.

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From: Kitskid	9/12/2010 3:08:11 AM
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zeitgeist movement purge (notes from RBEF site) ---------------------->snip<--------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- thezeitgeistmovement.com ... 037#288037 ------------------------------------------------------------- Hey there :) Peter, please hold on a second, I need to address VTV first as he is your personal online bodyguard or to be precise - "forum watch dog". VTV, since you are practicing banning people here, I have a cool idea for you! Since this movement is all about automation, if you'll pay me $500, I'll make an add-on to Joomla software that will allow you (and only you! since you are very special!) to ban people via voice recognition technology! All you have to do is to say - "Ban the asshole!" into your microphone, the software will lookup the user "asshole" and fckng ban him! How cool is that? By the way, don't bother banning me as I'll unregister after posting this and also I'll post it on RBEF so don't bother deleting this post, if you'll do, I assure you'll regret it in a long run, to understand why, read on. Now, Peter; Quote: What really bothers me is that you and all the other offshoots refuse to truly deal with this issue. Yes - I know - to build and get physical is more tangible than trying to change a culture - it feels "real"- but you are going to have to face facts. I sincerely wish you all would "get" this and work with us on the broad communication effort. All you have done is create division, in fact, which only slows us as a whole. The more offshoots- the more confusion. You are only hurting yourself and everyone else. However, once Zeitgeist: Moving Forward hits theaters you are going to see a multi-fold increase in membership here. All the offshoots will be left in the dust... so I say - join US. Otherwise you are just wasting your time. If you don't mind, I'll break your post into statements and address them in order I choose to make my point without compromising the integrity of your message. Quote: However, once Zeitgeist: Moving Forward hits theaters you are going to see a multi-fold increase in membership here. So, you are trying to scare us off into submission by your new movie? Maybe this is not what you meant by it sure sounds like it. Do you honestly believe we (a.k.a. offshoots) afraid of your new movie? Let me tell you something, we (a.k.a. offshoots) more happy about your movies than you can even imagine! I personally was advertising Z-Day 2010 like there is no tomorrow! Do you know why? Because for the past year, entire ZM was acting like an advertising agency for so called offshoots (which are by the way growing individually and in the process of merging). After your new movies comes out, all offshoots are going to advertise it because the pattern will be as usual! People come here, speak out their minds and then get banned! What happens next? They are joining so called offshoots! So, PLEASE release your movies, we need more movies!!! Please!!! Can you make 20 more? We really need more members! It is great to have a professionally done materials to advertise offshoots and we don't even have to pay for it! All we have to do is to sit and wait until they'll come to us! Thank you Sir for making your great movies! (VTV, I know you don't like this kind of sarcasm, so, for real, think about my proposal, I agree to do it for $450! How about that?) Quote: All you have done is create division, in fact, which only slows us as a whole. Let me tell you my personal outlook on it. Back in 2009, before the first annual Zeitgeist Day, a group of very dedicated people gathered together to help YOU (excuse me, us) and since we were unable to reach you out (since you were busy preparing for Z-Day and working on Orientation Presentation which was/is great by the way!) we decided to help the movement by making extra short film/clip. Precisely to spread awareness, as you remember, it is called the "Transition Plan". Maybe it was not as great and thought out as well as your movies are, but hey, it was done in the matter of 4 days and it was a great team work! I know how it all may look like from your side of the story but from ours, we worked out asses (VTV, I said "asses", illegal word!!! $400 for software?) off to help to spread awareness and to show people that not only few people are working on presentation materials... so, instead of Thank you, or simply ignoring us... we got fck YOU (VTV? $390?) from your Sir. So, how are we creating the division? By giving people the space online to speak out? By developing projects to help RBE idea? By not banning people for critique? By spreading the word? In the past 2 years, I convinced (not just spread the word, but actually sat down with people and explained and watched all the materials with them) about 20 people, on my own! Around the same amount (20 people) who I wasn't been able to convince, think I'm totally nuts, but it is ok, I done my job. As exponential function tells me, each person needs to convince only 2 people. If you convinced 2 people, you done your job. If every person convinced just 2 people and then they convince 2 each which is 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, 32768, 65536, 131072, 262144, 524288, 1048576, 2097152, 4194304, 8388608, 16777216, 33554432, 67108864, 134217728, 268435456, 536870912, 1073741824, 2147483648, 4294967296, 8589934592 -- a little bit more than population on the planet :P In other words, if each person convinces 2 people he knows, in 33 steps we'll convince whole planet, all of its people and extra almost 3 billions of animals, Aliens, insects, gods, plants and microbes! So trust me, I done my job! On the other hand, on top of convincing people I also an expert software developer with almost 20 years of experience. I can program a fckng (VTV, $380?) toaster if it is build on binary complexity. So I have a choice here, either to run around with DVDs on the street, or, actually contribute to the movement by develop it technically. Which would you prefer? Quote: All the offshoots will be left in the dust... so I say - join US. "All the offshoots will be left in the dust..." <-- it is a very bad strategy to base your conclusions on assumptions. Don't forget, you are a public figure, we know what you are doing, how, when and why. You on the other hand, don't know anything about us, what we are doing and planning. Please do not assume or you'll make yourself look bad in the long run. "so I say - join US." <-- is this a demand? a request? proposition? threat? What do you mean when you say join US? We have joined you, we totally support RBE idea, we are working towards it! Why not working towards the idea with you? The whole issue comes down to respect! By banning people or assuming they don't understand the direction without even talking to them shows disrespect! The lack of respect to each other will make this movement to fail. That's why so called offshoots are going to "win" (P.S. we are not competing) because we respect the people and that's why some of the chapters are in the process of joining us and many scientists are going to meet us soon as well. It all comes down to respect! You are banning people assuming they are trolling but realistically it is the other way around, you ban people and THEN THEY ARE TROLLING. Take a look at what problems you got yourselves into with the guy "anticultists". Very intelligent guy was here 24/7 and on the web talking about the movement (yeah! spreading the word) and after disrespect, he spends the same amount of time disrespecting the movement. This is just one example... I can go on but I think you already know it. We live in cause and reaction world, you said it yourself. The more people you'll disrespect, the more rejected the movement will become, which is great for so called offshoots! PLEASE BAN EVERYBODY, WE NEED MORE MEMBERS TO MAKE RBE HAPPEN!!! Even thought I'll charge VTV for voice recognition banning system, I'll do mass banning module for ZM for FREE! So, in summary, we are not causing division, YOU ARE! Why do you think offshoots are forming? Because we cannot let the beautiful idea of RBE to be ruined by such an attitude you are having at the moment. We won't let you do it. Quote: Otherwise you are just wasting your time. Well, lets see. So far we almost completed the cybernetic system you been talking about in your orientation presentation, we are establishing the new platform for scientists to work on the problem, we are working on transition plan, we are building the tools needed for community to efficiently communicate without language barriers, so, tell me, how are we wasting our time? It is the other way around actually, you are (well, not you directly, you are doing a great job by promoting offshoots with your movies) wasting your time. Quote: What really bothers me is that you and all the other offshoots refuse to truly deal with this issue. We are dealing with the issue, we removed the enemy of all movements (DISRESPECT) from our attitude and doing great! Do you really want to deal with this division problem? All you need is to follow the steps! Publicly apologize to all offshoot groups for disrespect. Admit that you was acting like an asshole (if you'll actually use these words, you'll get more respect and yeah, VTV, I used the word asshole so, $370 + pack of cigarettes?) * Remove moderative privileges from VTV as he is the biggest troll in the movement. The guy makes great radio shows yet have 0 technical knowledge, 0 sense of character judgment. Instead of asking person what he means, he jumps into discussion he has no knowledge in and usually bans users without understanding what the conversation is all about. * STOP BANNING PEOPLE!!! If you are worried about so called trolls, make a special section for them to communicate. If you worry about extra traffic used by "trolls", we can use RBEF server's traffic to process their requests. In other words, let people speak, either address critique or simply ignore it. Banning people will be more expensive in the long run since now you have to waste your precious time defending the movement from people who actually supported it before they got disrespected. * Let knowledgable people to take the lead, in other words, make ZM community moderate itself, not few kids who acting like robots and read to certain words and react to so called "offensive" words. Words like "fck" (VTV $355.50?), "st" (VTV $355.49?), "as" (VTV $355.48?), "dck" (VTV $355.47?) do not mean anything, if you disagree, please go ask Mr Jaque Fresco, he'll tell you everything about so called "bad" words. Cancel your rules. This is becoming ridiculous, people are being banned for so called "ad-homein" attacks. If person A calls person B an idiot and person B gets offended by it, then he is a fckng (VTV, $350 + 2 packs of cigarettes?) idiot! Why? Because person A doesn't know ANYTHING about person B except for his nickname. It is as ridiculous as the people who doesn't understand the movement and rejecting it based on their personal projections. * Make an apology letter to all banned people (yeah, including those who called you an asshole (VTV $350 + beer? You can get one for yourself too!), it was a result of the disrespect, not the cause), un-ban them and send them the letter. * Remove this test after registration. People want to have space for communication and ask questions. Test to enter the movement? It is like going into college and you need to pass FINAL EXAM to enter it. Is it even logical? Anyways... If you'll follow these steps, trust me Peter, all offshoots will join back and ZM will actually start progressing faster than you can even imagine. If you'll continue your policies, mark my words, ZM will die off and actual offshoots are going to establish RBE. Please also do not assume the so called offshoots do not understand RBE concept, we are, having doubts? Lets have an open conversation on your radio show, I assure you it is going to be very entertaining for our listeners and if VTV will be there, it will be humiliating for him! The whole issue is disrespect, fix your attitude and you'll see not only offshoots joining you but all other movements. VTV, $350 is my final offer! The price just for you, because you are special! Peter, please convince the guy to pay me and then remove moderative status from him! Lets screw the guy and go have a beer at his expense, I also live in Brooklyn :P Peace.

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From: Kitskid	11/21/2010 3:33:26 AM
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Insight into Peter Joseph's thinking. ------------------------------------- thezeitgeistmovement.com As I will discuss in my new film at length, genetics are controlled by the environment on many levels. In fact evolution itself, over the longest spans of time, is a process of biological/genetic interaction with the environment and only those biological/genetic processes that work in a given environment will survive through natural selection. There is something called Neural Darwinism. as many might know, three quarters of the human brain develops outside of the womb. We are the only mammal that has this attribute. The great majority of connections that tend to persist for the rest of people's lives happen within the first few years of life. During this time whatever environmental influences are occurring around this child, from comfort -- to abuse -- starvation, etc. -- are generating a battle of neurological connections and those that fit the logic of the environment will connect. hence Darwinism. The real effects on the personalities, metabolism and brain development of both Hitler and Gandhi have a strong correlation to both their prenatal and early Years of life. I guarantee you that Hitler had a very interesting childhood... Just as any language can be learned fluently and easily on average by any race (no genetic determinism), such is culture overall. Hitler had to be culturally indoctrinated into his hatred of other races. Ghandi had to be indoctrinated into his values as well, one way or another- no to mention his religious affiliation. A while back, brain scans done on murderers revealed abnormalities of different sections of the prefrontal cortex. this was esteemed as a finding in favor of genetic determinism... it was later found out that those areas were actually forms of brain damage which were not genetic but occurred because of various environmental influences. The same goes for addictions both chemical and psychological( like sex addicts or alcoholics) Overall, the only attributes of the human form which can modulate human behavior are severe genetic mutations along with severehormonal and neurochemical imbalances. These issues do not cause any type of specific behavior but will amplify different types of behavior. So, the issue of Ghandi and Hitler is more or less rhetorical, for there is likely no way to test that given the extremity and specifics of both of their upbringings- just as with any human pair. But the general logic of malleability and variety of the human being holds true. Also, there is a new science called Epigenetics, which, loosely speaking, shows how experience generated traits essentially can exist, even through generations, but do not change the DNA at all. Very interesting In the end, environment is king and genes are slaves to the environment in an evolutionary sense on multiple levels. In fact, on the largest scale, again - the environment is what decides which genes live and which genes die. peter joseph

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From: Kitskid	11/23/2010 1:22:10 AM
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An Open Letter from Prometheuspan: -------------------------------------------------- rbefoundation.com An Open Letter to TZM/ TVP Hello. A little over a year ago, I, Prometheuspan, joined the forum and began working there in a very focused manner in three main veins. 1. Clarifying and defending the positions of the movement as could be done using knowledge from the sciences in situations where people were attacking or questioning the movement. 2. Asking for clarity and lucidity to move forward with a strong project on the wiki to actually begin working the assorted problems the "Movement" has laid on the table but failed to address. (PJ even admits in some places he doesn't have answers to some problems, which, I do.) 3. Addressing the internal organizational aspects of the forum which were failing, IE, the lack of a lucid metaprocess. The Story is long and detailed, but this is what it comes down to. VTV was openly attacking and verbally abusing a person who was reality testing the forum. In PM I contacted that person and made peace with them, and having done that, I contacted VTV. He more or less cussed me out and told me I was wrong, and that the person wasn't reachable and that I had no Idea what I was talking about. The actual reality is that I have advanced knowledge of psychology, I had in fact made peace with the person in question in PM, and VTV was rabidly attacking this person instead of answering their hard questions. Having worked quite diligently up to several hundred posts to help the movement, I decided to test my political capital and more importantly, the lucidity and culpability of the movement, and set to solving a few other problems, such as the glaring problem that TVP/TZM alienates and diabolizes religious people instead of finding a way to include them. I generated several threads in the religion area to educate and inform the public about where and how science had found the things that religions are about and in specific, alpha brainwave states. VTV then walked into that thread, attacked me personally, said that I didn't know what I was talking about when in fact I am an expert on the subject, and between him and thunder they tossed out a few dozen ad hominems at me. But they couldn't win in any real argument, because I also know formal conversational logic, and so I was banned in order to silence me. No less than 4 threads were started to protest my banning, and what it comes down to is very simple. I did not break any rules. VTV and Thunder BOTH attacked me, and both did so in a thread I set up to make the point. Alpha brainwave states are a fact of science, and they are the state of consciousness from which operates the immediate subconscious mind. By walking into that thread and calling me crazy and ignorant, what both of them in fact proved is their crazyness and ignorance, as well as their total willingness to openly flauntingly break the rules. This is the pattern on the forum, and this is what creates the group think there. VTV and Thunder are habitually and chronically abusive, and nothing is done about this problem. People with real knowledge and information to offer and help the movement are thus shut out, and the result is that TVP/TZM has 1001 problems it can't solve because it always alienates experts. It does this solely because two or five people are pretending to have knowledge and expertise they don't, and so in defense of their ignorance and because of that, they keep the movement itself ignorant. So long as this goes on, the "Movement" will not "move". It will not solve any real problems, and in fact it can only be an obstacle to those of us who are in fact working the problems. Without a solid metaprocess, any such organization is doomed. Without a way to deal with real trolling behaviors wisely as well as deal with difficult but non trolling behaviors wisely, the result is going to be dealing with such situations in ways that are self defeating. And that protection must work two ways. IF it is okay for VTV and Thunder to openly attack people and use ad hominems against them, then it is a double standard to disallow the participants retaliation. The actual reality on the forum is however that most people know that there are 50 taboo subjects which bringing up can be cause for banning. They have been silenced before, seen people be banned before, and they know that such topics are off limits. Everyone is walking on eggshells. Everyone is trying to imagine that the elephants pooping in the living room aren't real. Between Jaques and PJ and VTV, the lot of them have knowledge approximately equal to half a dozen Bachelors degrees. Jaques may even have knowledge equal to a masters or two. And with that much knowledge, they seem to want to play a game of religious dispensationalism, where all truth comes from their top and everyone else is too stupid or just not part of their in crowd. Jaques claims to be a modern Davinci ring pretty hollow compared to my much more real situation, but if you guys think he can sing in 5 octaves or play a musical instrument, or operate autocad, I'd be very amused to hang out with him and form a band. Or even just a design group. I have twenty auto-didactic PhDs. I am a genuine article high level polymath. And you banned me from your forum for pointing out that VTV was being abusive, and because he literally could not hope to defend his actions, the only way he could "win" was to ban me. The problem with this is that thusly, the entire "Movement" loses. I know that the supposed means to rejoining the forum is to contact the now secret police force and beg their forgiveness and apologize for my wrong doing. The problem is, I haven't done anything wrong. So I don't have any apologies to make, and I can't in any way sincerely approach that situation. In any case, as is, I find the entire thing to be a disaster, and disgusting. Having Secret Police only affirms the harsh reality that the actual form of government employed on the forum is Totalitarianism. And thats a problem. Because if the "movement" promises x,Y,and Z, but in fact the actual manifested social order they are in fact employing and using on the forum is Totalitarian Fascism and Dispensational Theocracy (just wait till the next movie, it will explain everything...) Then the "Movement" has walked itself into a very dark, and very abysmal dead end, and most people will spend less than one day on the Forums and move on, grokking rightly that the actual difference between theory and practice has shown the situation to be fatally flawed. I do sympathize. I know that running a forum is hard, and that running a forum with people trying to troll you is harder. But there are real -if more complicated- solutions to those problems that don't require you to embody everything you claimed to stand against. I offered a large amount of such solutions to the forum while I was there, however, such materials were mostly ignored. You can not hope to win over the population by continuing on this path of censorship, Abuse, lies, and libel. Every person that you ban because you had to shut them up after personally attacking them is another witness against the "movement" and that stacks up over time. There are now easily more people active on the net AGAINST the "movement" than there are for it. Change is never easy, but failure to secure a better future is even harder. If you want real solutions to such problems, then I have those solutions handy. You can always stop by RBEF, and we won't ban you for making difficult conversations, lock threads, censor you, delete your posts, or delete your threads. And the point should be made that no matter how easy that seems to work over the short term, what it actually does to the "movement" over the long term is condemn it like so many others to the dustbin of history. There are lessons to learn from history and one key lesson "the movement" needs to learn is that the end does not justify the means. No matter what you may think is going to happen, or how this will play out, the simple truth is that RBEF will overtake and eventually eclipse TZM/TVP because of these core fatal flaws. Game and System Theory both tell us that this is an absolute. You can not continue to abuse 10 percent of the newbies and maintain a dysfunctional family style silence of eggshells, and grow in any considerable fashion. To put it in sociology terms, there are only so many positions available in orbital pack psychology sociology, once those positions are filled the absolute growth potential for participants is thus reached, and that number is very low- about 30 or 50 persons. Yes, I know that there are all sorts of people active in "the movement" but I am talking about the movements core, and its core growth potential. In truth there are only a few hundred active participants, and most of those are only active a few hours per week or month. The core participant base is organized along pack psychology lines, in three tiers, and that means three packs. Jaques is very poor at filling his pack base limit, he manages to keep only a fraction of his orbital positions filled, and the same thing goes for VTV. PJ on the other hand is very good at it, and thats why the participant base is PJ centered. What can not happen with such a system in place is formation of egalitarian communities, being taken seriously by any kind of real world academia or media, or forming meaningful think tanks to actually solve high order problems. As I told VTV right before I was banned. One way or another I will solve all of these problems or bring them to work via the public. IF "The movement" can only make of itself one more problem to be solved, so be it. I just celebrated my 4000th post on RBEF, and I am an Admin and Facilitator there. Aside from this, this letter over all is an olive branch. The point of this letter is not to make "the movement" wrong, but to offer it the help it must have to grow out of the stuck 3 year old condition it now inhabits. Social organizations tend to age in reflection of human life span cycles. We project into them from our sublimated experiential level. Being 3 years old 2 years running is an unfortunate proof that "the movement" is camped out in a dead end. I know this labyrinth and I know the way out. We can work together to solve humanities problems, but I will not be treated like garbage just to satisfy the ego needs of VTV and Thunder. You people owe me, and the other members of RBEF apologies and re-instatement and you owe yourselves the kind of help and progress that only people like us can give you. I Will await your timely response, and hope for the best. Sincerely, Prometheuspan.

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