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From: humble13/16/2012 6:35:41 AM
of 10488
 
Basic fundamentals: The long term trailing p/e ratio of the SPX comes in at 16.

Two points:

1. With this low i-rate background 18-20 is more likely. Even IF the FF rate climbs in 2013, as Lacker spouts, it has a LONG way to go before it is still NOT very low, historically.

2. In a market swinging from deep bear to rosy bull, the p/e goes from trailing earnings to anticipated earnings, as folks are afraid of missing things at the top. By late summer or early fall SPX earnings for 2013 could easily look to be in the 130/140 area as analysts stop being afraid and the financials suddenly look fat again.

So: what is 18 X 130? what is 20 X 140?

Yes, that could be where we are heading: into the mid SPX 2000's!!!!!

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To: humble1 who wrote (7694)3/16/2012 9:30:02 AM
From: bearshark of 10488
 
I think many may have underestimated this bull market. You can see the fund money pouring into the big cap stocks--MSFT, GE, etc. Same thing for big financials--BAC.

The retail money was waiting as of the end of January. As so many have said--except the poli-bears, it has to go somewhere.

I'm a bit cautious now with the SPX-RSI 70. Open time.

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To: bearshark who wrote (7695)3/17/2012 5:17:04 AM
From: humble1 of 10488
 
bearshank: you make an important point about the large caps, a group which is going to be a lot of fun to watch. some are starting to hype-warn that they are overvalued at 20 X's. but given the i-rate background and their pricing and brand power and balance sheets, it is very early in the large cap bull, imho.

i always like to take a look at history in cases like this. Even 40 X's would be light in terms of the Nifty-Fifty of the 1970's when up to 91 X's was seen for one stock (Polaroid, lol!):

economics-files.pomona.edu 

mid spx 2000's, and rather quickly, is on the way!

IMHO!

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To: humble1 who wrote (7671)3/17/2012 10:12:38 AM
From: Fintas of 10488
 
As posted on this board, I've a core holding of JPM in the 29 area so I'm happy with it's move. However, with a bell curve avg now at 63.5 which is not excessive but the sector WALL STREET at 94, that simply supports, at some point the JPM pulls back.I'll be writing covered calls at some point. I'll do the same with MSFT.

So ol spx 1405 was hit. You and others had it. Kudos. And yup higher numbers will come in time.

The good news, is the bell curve barely budged up on this last rally. The bad news is that the number is deceptive as one looks at the picture of those on the playing field. Hard to explain but some rotation is coming. Expect it. I am.

How low on the downside? I'll stick with my previous numbers.

UPSIDE? Well there's 1458 and then?

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To: Fintas who wrote (7697)3/17/2012 11:29:49 AM
From: humble1 of 10488
 
Fintas: Thanks for your comments. You have a fine core holding and you cannot go wrong with your plan, harvesting some of the fruit while keeping the tree.

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To: humble1 who wrote (7698)3/17/2012 1:14:47 PM
From: bearshark of 10488
 
None of the numbers that I collect are shouting sell. The RSI for the SPX is now above 71 so I am cautious. Add to that, the 4 in-a-row under .5 readings for the NYSE Arms and it might be time to catch our breath. I have already started planning for the earnings that will start in April.

On the fundamental side, we imported about 60% of our oil needs some years ago. In 2010, the EIA reports that we imported 49% of our oil. It may be lower now. I couldn't believe it until I checked the EIA site myself. In short, North America has a glut of oil and natural gas. Canada is/wants to export oil and we want/are exporting natural gas. If we could send pragmatists and not politicians to Washington, we might be self-sufficient in a matter of years. Even now, some of our businesses are finding ways to reduce our need for imported oil. Natural gas light trucks are on the horizon from American car builders. CLNE is building a line of natural gas filling stations along the interstates for interstate haulers. Eventually they will be open to 4-wheelers. At least one utility is building natural gas filling stations for local businesses.

Think of the possibilities. In the long run, maybe Don W's 30,000 INDU is closer than anyone thinks. Maybe a 4,500 SPX is too.

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To: bearshark who wrote (7699)3/17/2012 1:41:49 PM
From: humble1 of 10488
 
bearshark: you are well informed and thanks for being here. also, thanks for staying away from politics in a direct way. i really appreciate that because i am a moderator like i am/was as a parent: too lenient but it worked out well.

i would bet big money that keystone will be approved. also, we have a new deal with mexico and oil will flow from that part of the gulf. in addition, as soon as the gubmit/bp deal is settled - probably in the next few weeks - reasonably regulated drilling in the deepwater area and more will be permitted. this will happen before november, imho.

energy self sufficiency will proceed on all fronts, no matter who is running the show and no matter what hype-yap we here on the news.

regards,

h1

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To: humble1 who wrote (7700)3/17/2012 5:10:09 PM
From: bearshark of 10488
 
Thank you. Yes, I read about the Mexico deal and agree that we will have a pipeline that goes north-to-south.

After I wrote my note, I went out in the yard to work on my shrubbery. Had a bunch of pruners, a 2-cycle trimmer, a spade, rake, wheel barrow, etc. with me. Some of my fun toys. After about 90 minutes, I had to go to one knee and take an 8-count. Maybe related to one of my HBP meds. If a neighbor would have seen me go to my knee, I could have told them I was tebowing. Thanks Tim. There is always time for humor.

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To: rkchris who wrote (7693)3/18/2012 9:02:54 PM
From: sandeep of 10488
 
Interesting. In sunday evening session, SP is roaring up again. Aapl holding a cash call before mkt opens tomorrow morning. I wonder what you mean by the real mkt asserting itself. Up or down? I think you are saying UP. Can't argue with that :-)

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To: sandeep who wrote (7702)3/19/2012 7:12:34 AM
From: rkchris of 10488
 
Also in the evening session, the ES hit its 2nd cr price forecast @ 1401.14 & the SPX came within less than a point of filling its two equivalent cr price forecasts. The real mkt comment refers to certain option/margin machinations during expiration that don't fully unwind until, in this case, Tuesday...

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