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To: Math Junkie who wrote (775)3/5/2009 8:21:45 PM
From: Kirk ©   of 2361
 
Where do you get the idea that Brinker is a chart chaser? He has said many times that he doesn't use charting to make his calls.

Brinker is ignorant. A chart is nothing more than a graphical representation of data. In this case price vs time. People who don't understand how to use charts describe the data in boring detail with words... as Brinker usually does in his newsletters.

For example, talking about testing prior lows weeks to months later is a description of a chart of S&P500 values vs. time.

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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (776)3/5/2009 8:32:25 PM
From: Honey_bee   of 2361
 
Seabiscuit,

Best not to make assumptions based from what Stock Bull said... I do not agree with him that Brinker did anything out of the "norm."

And Brinker certainly hasn't done anything new or the least bit important....

It is a fact that the November low of 750 that Brinker claimed was the low for the "entire bear market" did not hold -- period. He cannot deny that....

.

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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (776)3/5/2009 9:06:03 PM
From: stock bull   of 2361
 
Sorry, I don't understand. Who said that he withdrew his "buy" signal?

Stock Bull

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To: Honey_bee who wrote (772)3/5/2009 9:09:15 PM
From: wurkinstiff   of 2361
 
hONEYBEE, i REMEMBER i READ THAT IN HIS NEWSLETTER AND SOLD OUT OF MARKET THE DOW WAS AT APPROX 10,383 IT WAS MY LAST ISSUE OF nEWSLETTER. mAYBE aUGUST. i WILL CHECK ON yAHOO AND SEE WHEN THE DOW WAS AT THAT NUMBER AND LET YOU KNOW.

i REMEMBER READING THAT PARAGRAPH TO MY BROTHER AND TELLING HIM bb ' SEES VERY BAD TIMES IN WINTER SEASON. bb WAS TELLING US - BAD TIMES AHEAD W/O ALARMING US.

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To: octavian who wrote (769)3/5/2009 9:16:29 PM
From: wurkinstiff   of 2361
 
oCTI, BY LOOKING OUT FOR INDUSTRY - LOOKING OUT FOR BIG FAT CATS - AND HE SHORTED HIMSELF - PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

oCTI, THINK ABOUT IT - HE HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN MARKET MOVES.

nO STORY CHANGE - HERE. oNLY IN YOUR MIND BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND FAULT.

yOU CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN WHAT HE DISCUSSED YET.

bLOW OFF - i ASKED YOU A LOADED QUESTION - i UNDERSTSAND YOU CANNOT ANSWER IT.

lET'S AGREE TO DISAGREE. yOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND - BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.

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To: wurkinstiff who wrote (781)3/5/2009 9:22:27 PM
From: octavian   of 2361
 
wurkinstiff said:



<<oCTI, THINK ABOUT IT - HE HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN MARKET MOVES. >>

--Yah, right. -:)

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To: octavian who wrote (771)3/5/2009 9:22:48 PM
From: wurkinstiff   of 2361
 

MJUNKIE - aT WHAT POINT to sell JUNKIE - IT WAS TOO LATE TO SELL - THAT IS NOT HIS STRATEGY or anyone for that matter. He does not give sell signal with losses.

So you don't know him very well.

Your thinking is totally - absurd

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To: octavian who wrote (782)3/5/2009 9:28:51 PM
From: wurkinstiff   of 2361
 

He was trying to prevent a bigger one - he did not see this great debacle.

There was a time when a call from him would make a difference in markets. not so anymore -

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To: wurkinstiff who wrote (761)3/5/2009 9:33:58 PM
From: Math Junkie   of 2361
 
"Math - what he knew at the times he knew them - we were heading for a collisions course - He talked about everything prior to the disaster in Sept. 2008 - and during 2006, 2007, and 2008 - What do you want him to say."

I will take your word for it that the above is true.

"His strategy, was not intended to save his subscribers."

Here's where you go wrong - by claiming to KNOW what his motivation was.

"MJunkie -what more do you need?"

You haven't proven that other likely motivations can't be true. For example:

1. A likely motivation is the fact that he has said MANY TIMES over the years that he does not believe in selling into weakness. That was probably motivated by the experience of going bearish AFTER the Crash of 1987. In the 1998 selloff, that policy served him very well.

2. Hope is another possibility. That was certainly a likely cause for his continuing to reiterate his QQQ buy as it cratered beginning in late 2000.

3. Your argument overlooks the possibility that he may have felt that the factors you mentioned were already widely enough known that they were already priced into the market. In the October 2008 Marketimer, he said his model remained bullish, and he explained what factors went into that determination. Deviating from his model had unfortunate consequences when he recommended QQQ in late 2000 to mid-2001.

4. You are overlooking the fact that he places such a high priority on appearing to be a good market timer that he restarted his model portfolios after the Crash of 1987, and that he has covered up a major failed call (QQQ) beginning in 2001. Are those the actions of a man who would deliberately have a BIG failure on his market timing record for any reason whatsoever? Not on my planet!

5. Your theory assumes that Brinker believed he had enough influence over the markets so that his forecast would make a significant difference in market direction. It certainly didn't work that way either before or after the Crash of 1987, it didn't work that way in the Summer of 1998, and it didn't work that way in January of 2000!

6. You have also avoided the central issue in Octavian's question. preferring instead to nitpick us on side issues. You said "Bob made a ton of money riding this bear all the way down" and "Kept all of us idiots in, so the big fellows could sell short stocks." (EXACT WORDS!) So, once he and the "big fellows" had their bearish positions established, why didn't he advise his subscribers to sell?

"His Sept,. newsletter stated - 'the markets will lbe facing challenging times during the winter months.' That was before the collapse a few days later. Here we are winter months."

"Challenging times" does not sound to me like he knew there would be a 47% drop!

He could have thought some additional weakness was possible without knowing how far down it would go. His timing record has been hit-or-miss for over twenty years. If you had a record like that, would you ASSUME that you knew for sure which way the market was going to go, and how far?

"I feel the evidence is there that BB knew the markets were in serious trouble "

Markets can be "in serious trouble" AT THE BOTTOM. In fact, that is often where things look blackest!

"Please do not put words in my mouth again."

YOU put these words in your mouth, not me:

"Many reasons he did not sell.

"he has BIG FAT CATS on wall street that he caters to. , etc. etc.
"

Message 25197752

"Bob made a ton of money riding this bear all the way down.

"Kept all of us idiots in, so the big fellows could sell short stocks.
"

Message 25201458

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To: Math Junkie who wrote (775)3/5/2009 9:35:18 PM
From: LLCF   of 2361
 
<Where do you get the idea that Brinker is a chart chaser? He has said many times that he doesn't use charting to make his calls.
>

"Chart Chaser" is a generic term in the investment business for someone who thinks they can time the market.

DAK

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