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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (9774)4/10/2010 1:23:25 PM
From: LindyBill
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I am not getting a Fusion, Zeus. Simply some steroids into the spinal area by needle. Very safe procedure.

You have a "Hammer/nail" problem. Your hammer is exercise, and you think every ailment is a nail.

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To: GraceZ who wrote (9766)4/10/2010 1:35:57 PM
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My pleasure. Amazing stuff though and doesn't the most complex problem have a simple answer? Eat Vegetables, Fruit, Nuts and Meat coupled with daily exercise.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (9775)4/10/2010 1:42:55 PM
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I think we are like all animals. When an animal becomes sedentary it becomes lunch.
Not to mention the force of blood flow to the brain while running creates new brain cells. Good for mind and body.
Where is the downside?

How running jogs your memory by creating new brain cellsBy Tamara Cohen
Last updated at 8:15 AM on 19th January 2010

A regular jog leads to the growth of new cells in the area of the brain which boosts your memory
We all know running is good for your body.

But it can also do wonders for the mind, according to Cambridge University scientists

A regular jog leads to the growth of new cells in the area of the brain which boosts your memory, a study has found.

It is not clear why aerobic exercise triggers the growth of grey matter (known as neurogenesis) but it may be linked to increased blood flow or higher levels of hormones that are released while exercising.

Timothy Bussey a behavioural neuroscientist at Cambridge and a senior author on the study said the team studied two groups of mice, one which had umlimited access to a running wheel while the other did not.

After a few days left alone, they put both groups of mice through a series of memory tests on a computer screen. It displayed two identical squares side by side, and if they nudged the one on the left with their nose they received a sugar pellet reward, while the one on the right yielded nothing.

The mice who had been running were almost twice as successful as those in the control group at picking the correct square.

At the start of the test, the squares were 30cm apart, but got closer and closer together until they were almost touching.

This part of the experiment was designed to test how good the mice were at separating two very similar memories. The human equivalent could be remembering what a person had for dinner yesterday and the day before, or where they parked on different trips to the supermarket.

The greatest improvement was seen in the later stages of the experiment, when the two squares were so close they nearly touched, according to a report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The sedentary mice got steadily worse at the test because their memories became too similar to separate.

M Bussey told the Guardian: 'At this stage of the experiment, the two memories the mice are forming of the squares are very similar. It is when they have to distinguish between the two that these new brain cells really make a difference.'
He added: 'We know exercise can be good for healthy brain function, but this work provides us with a mechanism for the effect.'

The scientists also tried to wrongfoot the mice by switching the square that produced a food reward but the running mice were quicker to catch on when scientists changed them around.
Nobel Prize winning physicist Wolfgang Ketterle has said running gives him time to think through problems
The running mice clocked up an average of 15 miles (24km) a day.
Brain tissue taken from the rodents showed that the running mice had grown fresh grey matter during the experiment.

Tissue samples from the dentate gyrus part of the brain, one of the few regions of the adult brain which can grow new cells, revealed on average 6,000 new brain cells had been created.

Previous studies on people with depression have found their symptoms can improve if they exercise regularly. Some antidepressant drugs work by encouraging the growth of new brain cells.

It is also thought exercise might also reduce stress, which inhibits new brain cells through a hormone called cortisol.

The Cambridge researchers joined forces with colleagues at the US National Institute on Ageing in Maryland to investigate the effect of running.A few days of running led to the growth of hundreds of thousands of new brain cells that improved the ability to recall memories without confusing them, a skill that is crucial for learning and other cognitive tasks, researchers said.

Many great minds have said they enjoy a jog. Nobel Prize winning Physicist Wolfgang Ketterle has said: 'When I run, I think about everything: physics, family problems, plans for the weekend. I haven't made any big discoveries on a run, but it does give me time to think through problems. Some solutions are obvious, but they are only obvious when you are relaxed enough to find them.'

Newsnight presenter Emily Maitliss is often spotted jogging near her London home.

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Newest Oldest Best rated Worst rated View all "Firstly, she is not jogging. I am in my fifties and I lift my knees far higher than she is doing."

C'mon then expert, what is she doing then? because it would be rather difficult to have both feet off the ground if she wasn't running in some way. I run and I barely lift my knees at all.
- Paul, Oxford, 22/1/2010 07:21
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Too risky for me. I've forget where I'm going and what for just going to the top of the stairs - I daren't go for a run!!
- Keith, Ipswich, UK, 22/1/2010 00:09
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The female featured (pictured) in the story does not enhance the report at all. She has been included to further the goals of social engineering.

Firstly, she is not jogging. I am in my fifties and I lift my knees far higher than she is doing.

Secondly, she is not British. The last time I checked the Daily Mail was an English newspaper. The girls facial features are close to what you might see in Central America. The photo is likely taken from Internet Stock, and was probably photographed in California.

Thirdly, can the British press tell us why females aged between 20 and 35 are featured in almost every scientific and/or health related report?

And lastly: in a normal society that does not constantly tout a 'hidden agenda', a report such as this (by Tamara Cohen) would have been supported by a photograph showing a mixed-sex group of people jogging.

England is where young women have become deities: the objects of worship. The evidence is all around you. Open your eyes.
- Viking, Kuala Lumpur, 21/1/2010 07:14
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I've run and raced competitively for the last forty-five years. I still run about 100 km a week, almost all of it barefoot on the beach after dark, much of it with my two nine-year old labs.

Never had an injury caused by running, but plenty from rugby in my younger days. Nor have I ever had any problem with my joints, nor my back, caused by running, except that it's true that in my late teens to early twenties I would develop lower back pain in a road race or X-country competition if I started off too fast. I overcame that problem by learning to stretch a lot more, AFTER a strenuous training session - not before.

Last time it was tested, my IQ was in the low 140s - thus unchanged over the last thirty years. So, I've always been a fair bit brighter than average, but I'd say my successes continue due to hard work and perseverance rather than to sheer brain power.

Smarter humans may run simply because it thrills us. We feel more alive.
- TheTrampolinist, Cairns, Australia, 20/1/2010 12:53
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It was the hunger generated by all that running that made the 'runners' more successful at eliciting the sugar. Nothing to do with improved memory!!!
- sue, london uk, 20/1/2010 12:41
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So this is why my boyfriend tells me I have a memory like an elephant and should be a lawyer.. because I´m a runner :)
- Kat, Marbella, 19/1/2010 20:41
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To: LindyBill who wrote (9771)4/10/2010 3:29:02 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone
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They call me Mr Tubs

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To: LindyBill who wrote (9775)4/10/2010 5:28:52 PM
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Here is a whole list of fish to avoid in warm waters.

Fish Tale
Dr. Kurtland Ma found the young man lying on the stretcher in the quiet of the predawn night. He was surprised by how healthy the patient looked: he had learned over the first year of his residency training that those who came to the Jacobi Medical Center emergency room in the Bronx at that hour were often the very sickest patients.

The thin chart reported that the patient came to the E.R. because he was having trouble walking. He had a headache; he felt weak and dizzy, and yet his vitals and initial blood work were completely normal. He was a puzzle, the senior resident told him as she handed Dr. Ma the chart. “I have no idea what’s going on with this guy,” she told Dr. Ma. “But he is probably going to need a head CT.”

The patient was 28 and said he was healthy until three days ago, when he and his girlfriend went to the Bahamas to celebrate his birthday. After a long day of swimming and snorkeling, they decided to try a restaurant they had heard good things about. They both ordered seafood — she had the red snapper, he the barracuda — and then went out dancing. Out on the dance floor the patient doubled over, caught off guard by an intense pain that knifed through his gut and took away his breath. He stumbled to the bathroom. The abdominal cramps and diarrhea came in waves. He kept thinking it would pass, but it didn’t. Finally he decided to go back to the hotel.

As they walked through the streets crowded with other vacationers, his girlfriend teased him for letting a little bug ruin his birthday. But by then all he wanted was to lie down and go to sleep. Once in bed, sleep was elusive. His body ached with fever, and the cramping and diarrhea kept sending him to the bathroom. Finally he woke his girlfriend and told her he had to go to the hospital.

They were in the tiny emergency room in the Bahamian hospital when the vomiting started. Relentless heaves racked his body long after all he’d consumed had been eliminated. The rest of the night was a blur of tests and treatments punctuated by slowly diminishing waves of pain and nausea. The Bahamian doctors returned to the patient’s bedside frequently. He was feverish and even the lightest pressure on his abdomen was excruciating. Was this appendicitis? Hepatitis? Or just a bad case of food poisoning? The CT scan showed a normal appendix. The blood tests showed no signs of hepatitis or any other infection. The antinausea medication stopped the vomiting and slowed the diarrhea.

This was probably food poisoning, a doctor told the exhausted patient. Most food poisoning is caused by ingested bacteria — E. coli, salmonella or staphylococcus aureus. Seafood-related food poisoning is often linked to a less well-known bug — Vibrio parahaemolyticus, although that bacteria is usually killed by cooking. Had they eaten sushi? No, their food was well cooked, the girlfriend assured him. The doctor shrugged. Generally it doesn’t make sense to try to identify the bug because the treatment tends to be the same no matter what you’ve got, he told the couple. The most important thing was to avoid becoming dehydrated, and this patient was getting plenty of fluids.

By morning, the patient felt a little better. He was given a prescription for an antibiotic and something for the nausea and sent back to recover in his hotel. He slept for the next two days. Finally the patient felt well enough to venture out. As he dressed he noticed that his hands seemed clumsy. And his feet felt as if they were asleep, as if he were walking on a shifting carpet of tiny nails.

He wasn’t sure he could eat. His girlfriend bought him a smoothie from a juice stand. The fruit drink smelled delicious, and his stomach rumbled eagerly. He took a sip and immediately spit it out. The icy cold drink felt as if it had come straight off the stove — as if it were boiling hot rather than freezing cold. He took another sip. His mouth burned. It felt too hot to swallow. At this point, the patient decided he’d had enough, and the couple soon flew back to New York. The young man dropped off his girlfriend at home and continued on to the Jacobi emergency room.

Dr. Ma was taking notes as the patient told his story, but when he mentioned this strange reversal of hot and cold, the doctor gasped. “I know what this is!” he shouted, interrupting the patient’s story. “I know what this is!” And with that he ran down the crowded hallway to where the attending physician and senior resident were sitting. “He doesn’t need a head CT! He has ciguatera poisoning.”

Ciguatera poisoning comes from eating fish that has been contaminated with a toxin produced by an organism that grows on reef algae in some infested tropical waters. Because the toxin is stored in fat, it’s concentration increases as it moves up the food chain from the little fish who eat the tainted algae to the larger, predatory fish, like shark, snapper, grouper and barracuda, and from there to the human consumer. Unlike most other causes of food poisoning, this toxin is colorless and odorless and isn’t destroyed by cooking.

The illness was first described in 1774 by a surgeon’s mate on the crew of Captain Cook’s South Pacific exploration aboard the HMS Resolution. The crewman, John Anderson, documented the symptoms described by several shipmates who had eaten a large fish caught in the tropical waters. There was “a flushing heat and violent pains in the face and head, with a giddiness and increase in weakness; also a pain, or as they expressed it, a burning heat in the mouth and throat.” Many since then have described the rapid onset of nausea, vomiting and diarrhea — similar to other types of food poisoning — but followed by the kind of strange neurological symptoms this patient had. Alterations in sensation — like the numbness, tingling and the bizarre hot-cold reversal — are most common and most characteristic. The toxin can sometimes affect the heart ­— causing it to beat too slowly or irregularly. It is rarely fatal, but there is no effective treatment, and the symptoms can persist for weeks, sometimes months, occasionally years.

It was a great diagnosis, the senior doctor told Dr. Ma. But how did he know? It was easy, Dr. Ma told his doctor-teachers. He took care of a family with ciguatera poisoning several months earlier. A whole family had eaten barracuda for their Christmas dinner. They came to the hospital a few hours later, after the nausea, vomiting and diarrhea had given way to these strange neurological problems. He’d never forget them.

Dr. Ma went back to the patient’s room. He apologized for his unexpected exit and began to explain the illness and where it had come from. Although the pathology of this poison is still not well understood, current thinking is that the toxin damages the protective sheath covering the nerves, causing the sheath to swell and compress the delicate tissue it’s supposed to protect.

“Even before they told me, I knew it had to be the fish — the barracuda,” the patient told me sadly. Barracuda has recently been identified as a common source of the toxin, and the C.D.C. now advises against eating the fish, especially when it’s been caught in the Caribbean. These days ciguatera is not just a tropical threat. In the U.S., it has become one of the most common fish-related illnesses as the waters off the coasts of Florida, Texas, South Carolina and most recently North Carolina become warm enough to host these once tropical organisms.

It has been more than six months since the patient returned from the Caribbean, and he still has not fully recovered.
He can eat again — he lost 20 pounds in the first few weeks of the illness. He still has occasional numbness and weakness. The patient sighed: “And it was such good fish too. I ate a lot of it.”

Lisa Sanders is the author of “Every Patient Tells a Story: Medical Mysteries and the Art of Diagnosis.”

If you have a solved case to share with Dr. Sanders, you can e-mail her at She is unable to respond to all e-mail messages.

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To: Pogeu Mahone who wrote (9779)4/10/2010 6:19:39 PM
From: quehubo
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I can tell you one thing I am never going to eat barracuda. I ate plenty of Robalo and Red Snapper when living in Colombia. I got sicker than hell twice once after eating fish along the coast and once after eating ceviche in a nice restaurant.

In Japan fish got me real bad I think just a bad reaction to shell fish or sushi.

I eat tuna and Mahi Mahi generally carried by Jewel and mostly coming from Indonesia or Thailand. I dont know where the Salmon I eat comes from. The frozen fish I get here in Chicago area is generally more tasty than the fresh fish I get while in Hawaii. Figure that one out.

Either way if I ever get sick from this frozen stuff I will be pissed. I did not eat hot dogs from stands for 20 years after getting salmonela poisoning from hot dogs served from a stand.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (9775)4/10/2010 10:56:48 PM
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i know you don't care to exercise, but i would highly recommend to you the mackenzie method for back pain...

i have a seriously bad lumbar disc problem and was actually debilitated by it at one point in my much so that i went to a neurosurgeon and almost pleaded....please do surgery to make this go away...

he sympathized with the fruitless 'physical therapy' i had been prescribed, but told me...i want you to take just one more approach and if it doesn't work, then we'll look at surgery'

within 6 weeks, i was able to bend completely and touch my toes and my back disability on a scale of 6 to 1 (6 being the worst) went from 6 to 2....

it's not a difficult 'exercise' it is basically maneuvering your body into a position that allows you to push any bulged disc back into place....

it works...

if you don't have a disc issue, the worst that can happen is that you end up stretching your lower back muscles and relieving any muscle tension there...

it's definitely worth a try...

it has 'saved me' twice now

ps... you can pick up the mackenzie book 'treat your own back' on's very short with lots of illustrations to help you see the positions....i would still recommend seeing a mackenzie method specialist in your area if you have one...there are some minor intricacies that benefit greatly from having an expert position your back and hips so that you get the feel of the correct position, but ultimately you basically treat yourself

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To: LindyBill who wrote (9727)4/11/2010 12:21:11 AM
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Fish oil is awesome for arthritis and EFAs in general too. I know you are already doing a lot, but it is probably something you can't over do.

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To: FUBHO who wrote (9782)4/11/2010 12:42:35 AM
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3K a day is about the max for normal CHD. Davis recommends double for high Lp(a). It has not been shown to help back problems, if that's what you mean.

Cutting out wheat has been shown to help arthritis in many cases. Hasn't helped mine.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (9783)4/11/2010 12:48:37 AM
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I encourage you to google fish oil, cod liver oil(I know the downside), GLA and other fatty acids for arthritis. I recall reading a study several years ago about Omega 3s reversing the effects of osteoarthritis. I encourage your own research in the area. It might help.

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