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From: LindyBill5/20/2009 4:50:00 PM
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How would you know? Hospitals guard their quality record like it was their crown jewels.

Quality Measures Improve Outcomes More Than Hospital Volume Alone

Researchers conclude that patients facing coronary artery bypass surgery should, as a first priority, select a medical facility that has the highest adherence to quality standards. sciencedaily.com 

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To: Lane3 who wrote (5162)5/20/2009 4:53:50 PM
From: LindyBill   of 24391
 
Steve Parker, M.D.

He is practicing 1990s medicine. You either have plaque or you don't. If you do, you have heart disease, if you don't you don't. Heart murmor, etc are a separate subject.

Some people can lead dissolute lifes and never have a problem. Others can live like saints and die of a heart attack at age 40.

Start getting scanned and find out the truth.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (5162)5/20/2009 4:54:32 PM
From: Lane3   of 24391
 
Time to Abandon the Diet-Heart Hypothesis?

In January, 2009, The American Journal of Medicine published a 62-page supplement (vol. 122, number 1A) entitled “Management of Atherosclerosis: A Practical Guide in 2008.”

I scanned it with attention to the Diet-Heart Hypothesis: the idea that dietary factors - such as saturated fat, total fat, cholesterol - cause or aggravate atherosclerosis. Atherosclerosis is colloquially referred to as “hardening of the arteries,” and is a major cause of heart attacks, strokes, and peripheral arterial disease.

One section, “The Pathology of Atherosclerosis: Plaque Development and Plaque Responses to Medical Treatment” is written by William Insull, M.D., who is with the Lipid Research Clinic at Baylor College of Medicine. Here are selected quotes, and my comments in brackets:

Several risk factors may intensify or provoke atherosclerosis through their effects on low-density lipoprotein (LDL) particles and inflammation. These risk factors most frequently include hypertension, tobacco smoking, diabetes mellitus, obesity, and genetic predispositon; the molecular details of how they work are not yet known.

[No mention of diet.]

Early fatty streak development [thought to be a precursor to atherosclerosis] begins in childhood and adolescence. . . . The initial step occurs when LDL particles leave the blood and enter the arterial intima, where, if LDL levels are increased, they accumulate.

[Not entirely clear whether he’s referring to increase LDL in the bloodstream or inside the intima cells - I suspect inside the cells.]

All of these changes may be significantly influenced by risk factors, notably the stress of local hemodynamics and blood flow patterns, hypertension, tobacco smoking, and diabetes, as well as genetically determined arterial susceptibility or resistance to atherosclerosis. The mechanism of these risk factors in influencing atherosclerosis are the target of intensive investigation by molecular pathology, along with proteomics and genomics, conducted to determine the exact molecular biological prosesses involved in their development.

[Again, no mention of diet.]

Dr. Insull does include a table on page S11 that mentions therapeutic reduction of atherogenic plasma lipoproteins by diet, exercise, statins, and other lipid-lowering therapies, but there is no further mention of diet in his article.

Another section, “”Sick Fat,” metabolic Disease, and Atherosclerosis,” is by Harold E. Bays, M.D., of the Louisville (KY) Metabolic and Atherosclerosis Research Center. Selected quotes:

Most major CHD [coronary heart disease] risk factors are modifiable; these include metabolic disorders such as type 2 diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and dyslipidemia.

[No mention of diet.]

His Table 2, “Major risk factors for future atherosclerotic coronary heart disease events” includes history of atherosclerosis, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, dyslipidemia, cigarette smoking, adiposopathy, age 45 or older (men), age 55 or older (women), and family history of CHD.

[No mention of diet.]

Among hunter-gatherer populations who follow their indigenous lifestyles, CHD is a rarity. This is in large measure due to a striking reduction in major CHD risk factors, such as markedly reduced [blood] cholesterol levels, in these populations.

[No mention of dietary cholesterol and saturated fats in this context.]

High blood pressure increases CHD risk. Large-scale observational data show a doubling of mortality from ischemic heart disease and stroke for every 20 mm Hg increase in systolic blood pressure or 10 mm Hg increase in diastolic blood pressure.

[Off topic, but a “fun fact,” at least to a doctor.]

As most primary care clinicians are acutely aware, one of the most basic interventions for treating and/or preventing the most common diseases found in medical practice, including CHD, is encouraging patients to adopt favorable nutritional and lifestyle habits.

[No additional text clarifies his “favorable nutritional . . . habits.”]

A later section, “Prevention and Treatment of Atherosclrosis: A Practitioner’s Guide for 2008,” is by Sandra J. Lewis, M.D., with the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland.

Dr. Lewis reiterates the aforementioned major risk factors for atherosclerosis, adding physical inactivity, and not mentioning diet as a major risk factor. She recommends inquiring about eating habits, and encourages “healthy eating.” A quote:

Therapeutic lifestlye changes constitute first-line therapy for reducing LDL cholesterol levels in persons at risk for atherosclerotic CV [cardiovascular] events. All persons, regardless of their short- or long-term risks, should be counseled to adopt positive changes, including a low-cholesterol diet, increased physical activity, and cessation of smoking. Diets should include limits for saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats, monounsatrauted fats, total fat, carbohydrates, and protein. Total cholesterol ineake should be kept to under 200 mg/day.

These recommendations seem to emanate from the 2001 report of the National Cholesterol Education Program, Adult Treatment Panel III. Note: they refer to treatment of people with higher-than-optimal LDL cholesterol levels, not to the general population.

My Comments

I was glad to see this in the mail, because I’ve been questioning the validity of the Diet-Heart Hypothesis. This monograph seemed like the perfect place for a review of it.

The overall tone of the monograph is very much in favor of statin drugs for reducing the morbidity and mortality of atherosclerosis, particularly in the coronary arteries. Statins are powerful LDL cholesterol-lowering agents. But that proves nothing one way or the other about the Diet-Heart Hypothesis.

Little in this 62-page monograph supports the diet-heart hypothesis and the idea that everyone needs to limit intake of saturated fat, total fats, or cholesterol.

I’m not prepared today to abandon the Diet-Heart Hypothesis. But I’ll continue consideration of that option.

Steve Parker, M.D.


advancedmediterraneandiet.com 

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To: LindyBill who wrote (5164)5/20/2009 5:05:46 PM
From: Lane3   of 24391
 
You must have posted that reply to the wrong post.

The blog post I posted was about how early in life atherosclerosis can start to develop. Makes no mention of heart murmurs.

(When I had my heart cath, the doctor commented that I had the arteries of a young teenager. Now I know what he meant.)

BTW, Dr Parker is working on a low-carb Mediterranean diet. I discovered him in an interview on La Vida Low Carb.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (5166)5/20/2009 5:12:49 PM
From: LindyBill   of 24391
 
The blog post I posted was about how early in life atherosclerosis starts to develop. Makes no mention of heart murmurs.

That was exactly the post I was talking about. The comment about other factors was to preclude comments to the effect that I was not considering them.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (5167)5/20/2009 5:45:44 PM
From: Lane32 Recommendations   of 24391
 
The comment about other factors was to preclude comments to the effect that I was not considering them.

Did you step on a sea urchin during this morning's walk? <g>

He is practicing 1990s medicine.

I don't see how you can determine what kind of medicine he is practicing from a simple description of how plaque forms over the years. There's nothing in that piece that's remotely provocative. At worst it's merely boring or peripheral.

"You either have plaque or you don't."

No one suggested otherwise.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (5168)5/20/2009 5:55:28 PM
From: LindyBill   of 24391
 
I don't see how you can determine what kind of medicine he is practicing from a simple description of how plaque forms over the years.

He is telling you how to diagnose for CAD. It should be obvious to you that he misses the easiest way to find plaque. Heart Scans. He goes all around the barn on everything else, but never opens the barn door.

He is not alone. Most Doctors do the same thing. It's frustrating. They look for symptoms instead of screening for potential problems. A lot of this is insurance forced.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (5160)5/20/2009 6:56:27 PM
From: carranza2   of 24391
 
Indeed, and then make sure you eat our roast beef po' boys, shrimp, crab, crawfish bisque, jambalaya, then keel over at Antoine's.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (5169)5/20/2009 7:27:48 PM
From: Lane32 Recommendations   of 24391
 
He is telling you how to diagnose for CAD.

I looked yet again but don't find a discussion of diagnosis anywhere in his piece. What he is telling us is how early CAD starts and what the progression of the disease is. He is describing an existing process. Diagnosis of CAD is outside the scope of the piece.

It should be obvious to you that he misses the easiest way to find plaque.

It would, indeed, have been obvious to me had he been talking about diagnosing plaque and missed the most valuable diagnostic tool, the heart scan. But since his topic wasn't diagnosis..

Most Doctors do the same thing. It's frustrating.

I agree, but you are expecting something to be there that has no business being there.

And missing the other piece from him that I posted where he ridicules unmercifully the continued assertion of the "diet-heart hypothesis."

Here's another comment from him that should really warm the cockles of your heart:

"...If you or someone you love has coronary heart disease, you need to know that there's more to successful treatment than drug therapy, angioplasty, and open heart surgery.

It's just a fact that many cardiologists - certainly not all - focus on invasive intervention and drug therapy. Invasive intervention typically involves threading a small tube into the heart via the groin artery, opening up a blocked artery with a balloon (angioplasty), and leaving a metal frame behind to keep the artery open.

That's what they are trained to do..."

blog.nutritiondata.com 

As you can see, he's frustrated, too.

If the guy were a cardiologist I could see how you might expect every post he makes regardless of topic to mention heart scans. But he's a weight-loss specialist, not a cardiologist. Heart scans are way far afield from his specialty. He doesn't diagnose CAD for a living. He's centered diet and metabolic syndrome. It's not reasonable to condemn the guy as "practicing 90s medicine" because he wrote a post that didn't mention heart scans.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (5163)5/20/2009 7:42:14 PM
From: Lane3   of 24391
 
How would you know? Hospitals guard their quality record like it was their crown jewels.

healthgrades.com has ratings for hospitals for a couple of dozen different ailments. A few months ago I pulled ratings for knee replacements and strokes for hospitals in my area.

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