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To: Suma who wrote (18998)4/2/2012 2:21:50 PM
From: LindyBill
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Sodium/salt? Another "nobody knows." The scare got going on BP, but the four point or so difference in BP by lowering salt is hardly worth bothering with when you are on BP meds anyway.

This is another "moderation in everything" subject. I don't worry about it and eat what I please. If you stay away from packaged and canned goods you get little or none of both products. "Eat fresh!"

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From: LindyBill4/2/2012 2:33:17 PM
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Study Says DNA’s Power to Predict Illness Is Limited
NEW YORK TIMES
By GINA KOLATA

If every aspect of a person’s DNA is known, would it be possible to predict the diseases in that person’s future? And could that knowledge be used to forestall the otherwise inevitable?

The answer, according to a new study of twins, is, for the most part, “no.”

While sequencing the entire DNA of individuals is proving fantastically useful in understanding diseases and finding new treatments, it is not a method that will, for the most part, predict a person’s medical future.

So, the new study concludes, it is not going to be possible to say that, for example, Type 2 diabetes will occur with absolute certainty unless a person keeps a normal weight, or that colon cancer is a foregone conclusion without frequent screening and removal of polyps. Conversely, it will not be possible to tell some people that they can ignore all the advice about, for example, preventing a heart attack because they will never get one.

“The punch line is that this sort of personalized medicine will not in any way be the most important determinant of patient care,” said Dr. Bert Vogelstein of Johns Hopkins, who, with his colleagues and his son Joshua, analyzed the power of sequencing all of a person’s DNA to determine an individual’s risk of disease. The study, published online Monday in the journal Science Translational Medicine, involved data from 53,666 identical twins in registries from the United States, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway. The registries included data on 24 diseases, telling how often one twin, both or neither got a disease.

Since identical twins share all of their genes, the investigators could ask to what extent genes predict an increased chance of getting a disease. Using a mathematical model, they reached an answer: not much. Most people will be at average risk for most of the 24 diseases.

They asked: Would those who ultimately got one of the 24 diseases have been forewarned by DNA sequencing? “Unfortunately, it tells them they are at roughly the same risk as the general population,” said Dr. Vogelstein.

The researchers also asked whether healthy people would learn by DNA sequencing that they were at low risk for a disease. Again, the results were disappointing. For example, more than 93 percent of women would learn they were at low risk for breast cancer and more than 97 percent of men and women would learn their risk for lung cancer was low. “But these negative tests do not mean they are at no risk for these cancers,” Dr. Vogelstein said. Their risk is more like that of the general population. And, Dr. Vogelstein says, even knowing you are at high risk for a disease may be less useful than it sounds. A woman who is at high risk for ovarian cancer might have a 10 percent risk, many times higher than average. That, Dr. Vogelstein said, “is unlikely to be the main determinant of her health.” But there was one positive finding — as many as 90 percent of people would learn that they are at high risk of getting at least one disease. And gene sequencing could, in theory at least, identify as many as 75 percent of those who will develop Alzheimer’s disease, autoimmune thyroid disease, Type 1 diabetes and, for men, heart disease.

However, with the exception of heart disease, there is as yet no way to prevent these diseases or slow their progress. And since high risk of an infrequent disease, like ovarian cancer, is far from a prediction that the disease is in the person’s future, the information might be valuable but would not necessarily make much difference in the end.

“The general point is absolutely correct,” said Dr. David Altshuler, professor of genetics and medicine at Harvard Medical School, who was not involved with the research. “Even if you know everything about genetics, prediction will remain probabilistic and not deterministic.”

The reason, he suspects, is that behavior, environment and random events tip the balance. “I am a big believer in randomness,” Dr. Altshuler said.

Dr. Vogelstein is too, but he had hoped the study might prove him wrong. He and his colleagues had studied a patient with pancreatic cancer. Several family members had also developed this rare disease, and so Dr. Vogelstein and his colleagues decided to determine the sequences of the patient’s genes, looking for a mutation.

“Indeed, we found the culprit,” Dr. Vogelstein said.

Several other research groups looked at families with other diseases and also found unexpected genetic culprits by sequencing all of a patient’s DNA.

“It occurred to us that maybe we could do this for everyone,” Dr. Vogelstein said. “Maybe we would find that most disease risk was concentrated in a relatively small number of people. That would have dramatic health policy implications. It would mean we could concentrate our surveillance on that proportion of the population that was at high genetic risk.”

The twins study let him see what might be possible. And, he says, “it puts limits on what people might expect with this sort of testing.”

Other experts pointed out different aspects of DNA sequencing that can improve health and medical care. Sequencing can, in some cases, aid in determining a patient’s prognosis. It can find the causes of mystery ailments in individuals, and it can find mutations that appear to be driving the growth of cancers in individual patients.

Sequencing also is starting to help doctors decide who should take drugs to prevent diseases, as is happening with heart disease.

In heart disease, one pressing problem is how to decide which young and middle-aged adults would benefit from cholesterol-lowering statins to reduce the risk of a first heart attack, said Dr. Sekar Kathiresan, a genetics researcher who is director of preventive cardiology at Massachusetts General Hospital. The drugs reduce the risk by 20 percent, but if your risk is low to start with, a 20 percent reduction does not mean much.

Now, Dr. Kathiresan said, by analyzing data from studies that sequenced entire genomes, researchers have found 30 gene variants that, taken together, can identify healthy people who have twice the average risk of heart disease. “There is a great attraction to using genetics in this way,” he says.

Dr. Robert Cook-Deegan, professor of law, ethics and policy at Duke, notes that every person whose DNA is sequenced will get information about whether he or she will respond to certain drugs and whether certain side effects will result from taking certain drugs. Vanderbilt University is already doing genetic analyses of patients to help in prescribing a short list of drugs, says Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at its medical school.

But the real benefit of studying the human genome, Dr. Altshuler said, is not to predict people’s medical futures but instead to understand how diseases occur and to use that knowledge to develop better therapies. Already this sort of work has succeeded with an entirely new type of drug to lower levels of LDL, or “bad” cholesterol, he said.

“The reason we do it is because we want to use genetics to pry open the black box of how disease works,” Dr. Altshuler said. “Not to personalize existing treatments, but to develop new treatments that are more effective.”

And that, he said is “a work in progress.”




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To: Suma who wrote (18998)4/2/2012 3:41:48 PM
From: Newly2b
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Reading labels I have also noticed how many products unexpectedly contain wheat and wheat derivatives. Shocking. As a consequence of reading labels and finding almost no processed products in the store that I want to ingest (those without sugar, salt, wheat, chemicals whose names I don't understand), I now even make my own mayonnaise, ketchup and mustard (my mayonnaise is better than store-bought, though I haven't gotten the last two quite right yet).

Newly

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To: LindyBill who wrote (18999)4/2/2012 3:46:09 PM
From: Newly2b
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I've been closely following the discussions re salt/no salt. I'm now on an ACE Inhibitor once again (for a limited period of time only!!!) and taking an ACE causes the body to retain potassium go one needs to watch one's potassium intake so as not to imbalance one's electrolytes. When I found out I had a heart problem, I automatically stopped eating salt, even though I did not have edema. I switched to salt-substitute, which is potassium. Now I have switched back to salt (special sea salt, not Morton's table salt). My electrolytes are in balance so I assume there are no ill-effects of doing so, and, in fact, given the amount of exercise I do, and sweating which depletes salt in the body, it is probably a good thing I am eating salt again.

Newly

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To: Newly2b who wrote (19002)4/2/2012 4:25:56 PM
From: Lane3
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My electrolytes are in balance

How do you monitor that?

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To: Newly2b who wrote (19002)4/2/2012 4:27:55 PM
From: LindyBill
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I suggest you take kelp tablets to increase your iodine intake if you are using sea salt. I take two tabs of "Icelandic Kelp" a day to give me a 450 mcg daily intake of iodine.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (18914)4/2/2012 4:28:03 PM
From: Jennie
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My local TV show mentioned that by having the Bariatric Surgery done made the pancreas start working better and the patient did not have diabetes anymore. They said that the stomach released some kind of hormone as soon as it was detached. Find and give us this hormone so we don't need to get cut up. But then the drug companys won't make as much money. My friend had the surgery and pretty much lives on protein drinks. yuck.

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To: Jennie who wrote (19005)4/2/2012 4:30:13 PM
From: LindyBill
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Bariatric Surgery

When I was a kid tonsillectomies were the big money maker for Doctors.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (19004)4/2/2012 4:34:02 PM
From: Brian Sullivan
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>I take two tabs of "Icelandic Kelp

I guess post Fukushima you don't want "Japanese Kelp" anymore.

The cheap Kelp capsules that I take don't have a country of origin on them.
Are the Iceland ones in the thread header?

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To: Newly2b who wrote (19001)4/2/2012 4:35:26 PM
From: Suma
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Hey give us the recipes for the mayonnaise and ketchup.. GREAT.

I will copy them down.

You are so right on. Everything is contaminated with something. Lactose is a problem with me but I take pills before eating dairy. Two instead of one.

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