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To: Cogito who wrote (145)10/25/2011 5:28:46 PM
From: Doren
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> It's not a high-end setup

he he. Funny stuff. It's relative. Not a high end set up.

I bought my SAE floor standing speakers from a dumb metal head for $20 (!) at a garage sale. They are not as nice as my blown out Electrovoice ETR-14s from 40 years ago but as long as I don't turn the SAEs up too loud they sound pretty good. The woofers distort. At normal volumes (which means very loud to most people) there is IMHO about a 5% difference from my buddies $3000 speakers.

I've got some old Dahlquist speakers up in my attic. I had them out until I actually hooked up the SAE speakers which to my surprise sounded much nicer.


Some of it is in the ear of the beholderor more accurately the brain. My buddy listens to jazz soloists for nuance mostly, or at least he did before he stopped listening almost all together. He has a fabulous collection.

I listen to structure mostly. I'm aware of less accurate reproduction when the bass mushes out or unclear super upper range stuff but I'm not really listening for clarity of that so much as separation and spatial. My listening interests are decidedly cheaper since string quartets, and jazz quartets can be quite pricey, while piano concertos, symphonies and most modern rock or electronic recordings are relatively cheap.

In fact I make music and rather than have a surround sound system I'd rather have a four speaker system with speakers at all four corners in front of me. Everyone thinks stereo as left and right but it seems to me UP and DOWN is really more important for the way we as humans discern musical sound. If I were performing MUSIC on a stage I'd love to be able to locate sounds more accurately in front of my audience.

Of course in a movie situation you would want to hear the train behind you as it passes.

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To: HerbVic who wrote (154)10/25/2011 5:41:19 PM
From: Doren
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> Whatever happened to just buying a stack system?

He he, I was just thinking nothing has changed since Jerry and Dick would escape from Laura and Millie, in Jerry's stereo den. Guys and hardware. Guys and cars.


My 63 Park Ave Cadillac. The fastest production Cadillac until they put a 500 cu in engine in the 69 or 68 eldos.


Here's the band I'm going to see this weekend:

Stolen Babies Push Button Rock Video

tinyurl.com


Stolen Babies "Awful Fall" Dec.06 Live at the Knitting Factory in good old Hollywuud.

youtube.com


When was the last time you went to see an accordion playing, heavy metal, goth, polka cabaret band with a beautiful clown woman who screams more deadly than most punk singers?

Its Halloween in Hollywuud. They charge you extra if you don't dress for the show.

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To: Doren who wrote (152)10/25/2011 5:49:55 PM
From: HerbVic
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About the only way to hook a great stereo setup this cheap is by setting longer term searches on eBay and watching what comes through there, or getting lucky at a garage sale. There's only 3 that I would bid on without testing them first, and they are all Altec Lansing. Of course, that's assuming the seller states that they are working.

The 6021 and the 5021 satellites are wall hangable, too.


1st choice for a small room music output device: Altec Lansing 621 or 641
karbosguide.com
clubic.com





2nd Choice Altec Lansing 5021
norbinw.blogspot.com


3rd Choice Altec Lansing 6021
jakeehrlich.com

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From: Doren10/25/2011 6:03:02 PM
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> Talk about a great recording you've discovered.

And now for something completely different...

Before Bach, just intonation, after Bach tempered, mean tone > 12 equal temperament...

but today digital has opened up transitionalizing through tuning, just as the keyboard and 12 equal opened up modulating to keys.

So without further ado...

Transcendissonance by City of the Asleep

split-notes.com


Free download. The flacs are only 16/44 but I guarantee you you've never heard anything like this. Easy to convert to aiff and burn.

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To: Doren who wrote (156)10/25/2011 6:03:55 PM
From: HerbVic
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Hey, they're pretty good!

Not the classic rock I usually listen to, but they've got talent.

You've still got that old Caddy? Should be a collector's item by now.

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To: HerbVic who wrote (159)10/25/2011 7:14:01 PM
From: Doren
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> they've got talent

I'm a complete music snob. The Jack Black character in "High Fidelity."

I think they are nearly genius. Its mostly her and the bass player who write the music. She is a phenomena.

Glad you appreciated it. I'm a huge fighter for underdog artists deserving wider recognition.

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To: HerbVic who wrote (157)10/25/2011 7:52:39 PM
From: Doren
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A guy in LA has them for $200 right now. What do you think?

A lot to pay for used. He says I can listen to them.

Apparently like other sub-woofers they sometimes burn up the internal chips.

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To: Doren who wrote (161)10/25/2011 8:02:27 PM
From: HerbVic
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I'm not sure which ones you're referring to, but it doesn't hurt to listen. Take your iPod and direct connect. Make sure the bass is not cranked up or down, then enjoy.

If you're patient, you can get some on eBay for half that.

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To: HerbVic who wrote (154)10/25/2011 11:30:22 PM
From: Cogito
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Please don't hesitate to use me as a resource in identifying speakers or other components that will meet your needs. I take great delight in helping people to get good sound.

One of my favorite memories is of watching a woman who is now one of my oldest friends smile the first time she heard her new sound system. Her room environment had been extremely challenging, with a two-story wall of glass on one side (overlooking the bay and the southern end of Manhattan on the 25th floor in Brooklyn Heights), and a half-balcony on the other, so that there were listening areas both upstairs and downstairs.

Having designed the system for her, I then installed it, which took several trips. It was a lot harder to get done than I had anticipated, but I never gave up. When she sold the apartment, she sold the system with it. It really was a part of the place.

The system wasn't terribly expensive, but it sounded great in the space. And it produced that special smile that I value so much. And we've been good friends ever since.

Just my usual long-winded way of saying that I'm quite serious about helping to bring high-quality sound to the world, one room at a time.

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To: Doren who wrote (156)10/25/2011 11:33:55 PM
From: Cogito
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>>When was the last time you went to see an accordion playing, heavy metal, goth, polka cabaret band with a beautiful clown woman who screams more deadly than most punk singers? <<

Oh, please. Not another one of those.

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