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To: ponokee who wrote (31078)4/29/2012 9:54:14 PM
From: Hawkmoon1 Recommendation   of 39853
 
Yeah.. the discussion of the melting Ice caps of Mars has been long reported as evidence that solar activity is the primary influence governing planetary climate. But this obvious fact has been generally ignored by the "consenseless"..

But also ignored is that the atmosphere of Mars is primarily CO2 (95%), which means that the entire planet should be a huge greenhouse in comparison the trace presence (parts per MILLION) CO2 exhibits in Earth's atmosphere.

Hawk

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To: ponokee who wrote (31074)4/29/2012 10:54:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon   of 39853
 
Is that you giving the lecture on planetary warming throughout the solar system?

And is there a Pt 2? Couldn't find it..

Hawk

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (31080)4/29/2012 10:54:47 PM
From: ponokee1 Recommendation   of 39853
 
Mars would be an interesting place to try terraforming.



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To: Bilow who wrote (31079)4/29/2012 11:40:47 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 39853
 
You are quite right Bilow. And we will nuke them from a helicopter too if needs be. But you are simply repeating what I wrote. You missed the first sentence. Here it is again for ease of reference: < Taming nature and turning the four forces of the apocalypse to our advantage is what we do. Nature is out to get us and turn us into dinner. > It's what we do. We look around nature and see stones, sticks, wolf pups that can be turned into dogs to follow scents and horses which can be bred into racehorses to really cover the miles in a hurry. We gang up. Now we form a gang of 6 billion. We can do anything we like. Oh, sorry, I already wrote that.

My point was that naked in the forest, with nothing but what we are made of, we are just a perfect dinner.

But we are not. We are 6 billion strong, and millions of animals are on our side too. We are orchestrating the whole gene pool. And everything else. The four forces of the apocalypse bend to our will.

Mqurice

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To: ponokee who wrote (31077)4/29/2012 11:49:22 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 39853
 
Since I happen to live on this one, I'm most interested in keeping this one habitable. Mars can look after itself. < attempting to engineer the environment that has stood us in good stead for 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years might best be saved for other planets. > It didn't stand us in good stead. We have been lucky. The Ecosphere of Earth is on a suicide mission. We have to stop it or it will take us with it.

You are making the same mistake as the Global Warmists - thinking that Earth is in Balance, designed to suit us, and we should not mess with it. Earth is NOT in balance, never has been and never will be. The environment hasn't even stood me in good stead for 50 years, let along 4.54 billion years. It's freezing at times, far too cold, and other times far too hot and far too dry and far too wet, then it blows my house down, fires volcanoes at it, and then tries to get it with a tsunami after trying to shake it down in an earthquake. I have a bone to pick with nature!!

We have to tame the planet. There isn't much we can do about volcanoes, other than not live there. But even there, perhaps we can drill down and use the heat to supply energy which is done at Wairakei and at Broadlands [in NZ]. In Rotorua, so much steam was being extracted that it was cooling the upper crust, spoiling Whakarewarewa thermal area. I say good idea rather than leaving the pressure to build up to eruption. Not that they have removed a significant amount of heat compared with what's going in 200 kilometres down from the subduction zone in the Kermadec trench.
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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (31084)4/30/2012 1:32:45 AM
From: ponokee1 Recommendation   of 39853
 
For 4.54 billion years life has thrived in a narrow climate window. A few degrees warmer and it boils over and a few degrees colder and it freezes. Climate change will happen for better or worse with or without our help.

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From: Alastair McIntosh4/30/2012 8:51:20 AM
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The sorry lessons of green-power subsidies

(or why Ontario voters should not have re-elected Dalton McGuinty)

April 30, 2012

A recent study, co-authored by Fraser Institute energy economist Gerry Angevine, found that Ontario residents will pay an average of $285-million more for electricity each year for the next 20 years as a result of subsidies to renewable energy companies.

By the end of 2013, Ontario household power rates will be the second-highest in North America (after PEI), and they will continue to accelerate while they level off in most other jurisdictions. Even more alarming for Ontario’s economic competitiveness, businesses and industrial customers will be hit by almost $12-billion in additional costs over the same period.

More related to this story Such is the legacy of the provincial government’s 2009 decision to establish feed-in rates, ranging from 44.5 cents to 80.2 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for solar power, and 13.5 cents/kWh for wind power. These solar feed-in rates average 11 times the 5.6 cents/kWh paid for nuclear-generated power, and 18 times the 3.5 cents/kWh for hydro-generated power. The wind-power rates are more than twice as high as nuclear, and four times those of hydro.

Besides the direct cost of these huge subsidies, there’s also a big hidden cost of fossil-fuelled standby facilities, because the wind doesn’t always blow and the Ontario sun certainly doesn’t always shine.

Faced with rising consumer reaction, the provincial government recently announced modest reductions to the feed-in rates, but they do nothing to change the results of the Fraser study because thousands of contracts have been guaranteed the higher rates for the next 20 years.

Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty has predicted that the subsidies will propel Ontario to a world-leading position in green-power technology, creating thousands of jobs. Sadly, the Fraser study shows quite the opposite as the province’s already beleaguered manufacturing heartland sees its former electricity-cost advantage transformed into a competitive millstone.

Ontario isn’t the only place where grand green-power dreams have turned into a nightmare.

Several European countries began doling out subsidies nearly a decade ago. Germany has given away $130-billion, mostly to solar-power companies. Yet solar power makes up a minuscule 0.3 per cent of German power supply, while doing almost nothing toward the original objective of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. In February, Germany’s Minister of Economics and Technology, Philipp Roesler, announced a pullback from green-power subsidies saying the cost was “a threat to the economy.”

Spain also poured cash into solar- and wind-power subsidies with little to show for it except a $25-billion increase in its national debt. And British consumers have grown increasingly outraged about paying some $700-million a year in wind-farm subsidies that produce less than 0.5 per cent of power demand.

In the United States, green-power companies have received more than $4-billion (U.S.) to build wind farms as part of the Obama administration’s massive job-stimulus program. A recent Wall Street Journal investigation found that those projects created a total of 7,200 temporary construction jobs and only 300 permanent jobs.

Federal grants and loan guarantees were also awarded to companies with rickety business plans. Last September, California-based Solyndra LLC sought bankruptcy protection after receiving $535-million in loan guarantees to build a solar-panel factory. This month, Solar Trust of America filed for bankruptcy after failing to meet the terms a $2.1-billion loan guarantee to build what was to be the world’s largest solar-power generation plant.

It isn’t only energy consumers and taxpayers who have been hit by the green-power mania. The Globe and Mail reported in February that 10 wind- and solar-equipment makers in China, India, Europe and the U.S. have seen their share prices collapse by between price of their shares collapse by between 85 per cent and 98 per cent since 2008. A combination of ineffectual environmental benefit, escalating power costs and debilitating government deficits have driven a precipitous drop in the outlook for green-power subsidies.

The lessons of the green-power debacle are clear. For governments, the message is that forcing consumers and taxpayers to subsidize any business almost always leads to economic damage and political unpopularity. For investors, the lesson is that companies living on government subsidies may die when the handouts stop.

theglobeandmail.com 

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (31086)4/30/2012 9:26:37 AM
From: FUBHO   of 39853
 
LDK Solar Slumping Nearly 13% As Slack Demand Weighs On Q4


By Teresa Rivas
April 30, 2012, 9:11 A.M. ET
Shares of LDK Solar ( LDK) were falling 12.8% in morning trading after the company’s fiscal fourth quarter fell short of investors’ expectations.

Before the bell, LDK reported a loss of $588.7 million, or $4.63 per share, down sharply from a year-earlier profit of $1.09 per share. Analysts were expecting a loss of 85 cents a share. Revenue tumbled more than 50% to $420.2 million, also missing the consensus of $431.59 million.

Gross margin shrank dramatically to negative 65.5% from positive 27.3% a year ago, as weak demand and falling average selling prices affected the results. Nor does LDK see the situation improving in the near future. CEO Xiaofeng Peng said, “In 2012, we expect that excess capacity and further policy uncertainties in Europe and the U.S. will result in continued intense competition within the solar industry. As such, we remain focused on improving our cost structure by driving down production costs and closely managing our operating expenses.”

LDK issued guidance for revenue between $190 million and $230 million for the current fiscal first quarter, again missing the $397 million target analysts were expecting. However, continues to expect revenue of $2 billion to $2.7 billion for the year, ahead of the consensus $2.19 billion.

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (31084)4/30/2012 10:07:09 AM
From: Land Shark   of 39853
 
Obama’s Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy
Could Imperil Reelection Hopes, Experts Say


WASHINGTON ( The Borowitz Report) – In the first term in office, President Barack Obama has broken with a tradition established over the previous eight years through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers say.

New polls indicate that millions of Americans are put off by the President’s unorthodox verbal tic, which has Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences virtually every time he opens his mouth.

Mr. Obama’s decision to use complete sentences in his public pronouncements, as well as his insistence on the correct pronunciation of the word “nuclear,” has harmed his reelection hopes among millions of voters who find his unusual speaking style unfamiliar and bizarre.

According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota, after eight years of George W. Bush many Americans find it “alienating” to have a President who speaks English as if it were his first language.

“Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in agreement,” says Mr. Logsdon. “If he keeps it up, he is running the risk of sounding like an elitist.”

The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences in his speeches, on Election Day the public may find itself saying, “Okay, subject, predicate, subject predicate – we get it, stop showing off.”

Elsewhere, consumers who believed that Nutella was nutritious have won a $3.05 million lawsuit, the highest award ever paid to morons.

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To: Land Shark who wrote (31088)4/30/2012 10:20:22 AM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations   of 39853
 
have you heard Obama talk without a teleprompter ? It's all ahs, ums, ers, ums, ahs, even when he's talking about the 57 states in the USA

Plus he speaks Austrians

And thinks the Ukraine is in Russia and even told the Pres of Ukraine that, UFB

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