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From: average joe4/29/2012 6:59:55 PM
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Blood And Gore -- The Nickname For Al Gore's Carbon Trading Firm That Is Poised To Make Billions Of Dollars From Carbon Credits. Google it and learn. I made this video to help stop the carbon tax that's coming if we don't wake up to this scam. Al Gore was wrong about NAFTA, So why would we buy what he selling us On Global Warming... This is just another way for The Illuminati to Tax The People Of The Earth and control them.

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (31071)4/29/2012 7:29:53 PM
From: Maurice Winn
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How to fix Global Warming. 25 years ago I came up with a product I called "Jetozone" [cute pun on jettison]. I was thinking about the ozone layer at the time and wondered if jet fuel could include catalysts to enhance ozone production by sunlight.

Putting sulphur oxides into the air at airline altitudes would be doable by making jet fuel a high sulphur product.

Pure sulphur works perfectly in large fertilizer factory turbines which generate electricity and produce sulphur oxides as feedstock for sulphuric acid production. So I suppose high sulphur fuel would be fine for airliners too though that would need some investigation to make sure it would not be too heavy or otherwise problematic for safe and efficient flight.

In 1984, in discussion with my BP Oil boss at the time, when considering CO2, I said it wouldn't be much of a problem because taxation could be shifted from incomes and everything else onto carbon consumption. Then people would come up with all sorts of ways of avoiding burning carbon. He said "Shhhhh. We don't want that idea taking hold". But it would solve the problem.

So stopping Global Warming should be doable. Filling the oceans with iron and other micronutrients would work a treat to absorb CO2 too, while enhancing fish stocks.

To stop reglaciation is more problematic. Painting everything black might help. Spreading carbon all over deserts and snow would reduce reflection and melt the snow. In Belgium, they were doing that inadvertently 25 years ago when we lived there, with millions of heating oil furnaces and diesel vehicles which in those days were very sooty. My little yellow Lada had a coating of carbon, which when dew formed would wash off in little rivulets as the drops coalesced. But carbon all over cities is annoying. It gets in eyes, nose, clothes and lungs. Over deserts and snow it wouldn't be so bad. China is doing a good job of spreading soot. The air is full of it.

Moving to Australia, Africa and Death Valley might be easier.

When people adopt the Churchill style it's pretty clear it isn't really knowledge and understanding they are looking for: <But it was a quintessential "Churchill moment" as they "stumbled over the truth, but quickly picked themselves up hurry off as if nothing ever happened." >


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To: average joe who wrote (31073)4/29/2012 7:39:23 PM
From: Maurice Winn
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On the contrary, we are doing very well: < I don't think anyone has a great track record of success in managing mother nature. > Cities are almost totally unnatural. The sky is about the only natural thing visible and we have to leave the comfort of houses, offices and malls to see that. Even trees are often genetically selected and not in their natural environment, and certainly crops bear little relationship to their ancestors.

We dam rivers for electricity and water. We build huge canals and flood banks. We are warm and comfy in -40 degrees Celsius in large cities. Taming nature and turning the four forces of the apocalypse to our advantage is what we do. Nature is out to get us and turn us into dinner. Naked in a forest, we are almost perfect food. No horns, teeth, hide, scales, spikes, poisons, camouflage, speedy escape, burrowing, or other self-defence mechanisms. Just perfect food sitting there waiting for anything from mosquitoes to lions to have a feast.

6000 million of us can do pretty well anything we like.

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (31076)4/29/2012 9:22:20 PM
From: average joe
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You're quite right on all points but attempting to engineer the environment that has stood us in good stead for 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years might best be saved for other planets.

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To: Land Shark who wrote (31058)4/29/2012 9:31:32 PM
From: average joe
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Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

Kate Ravilious

for National Geographic News

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory. Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

"Global Warming Fast Facts"



  • Climate Change Predictions Not Exaggerated, Analysis Says (February 1, 2007)
  • New Mars Pictures Show Signs of Watery "Aquifers" (February 16, 2007)
  • Photo Gallery: Global Warming

  • Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

    In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

    Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

    "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

    Solar Cycles
    Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

    Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

    "Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

    By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

    Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.

    "His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

    "And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report."

    "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say"



    Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

    Planets' Wobbles


    The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

    "Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained.

    "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says"

    All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun.

    Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

    These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

    Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

    "Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

    No Greenhouse


    Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

    He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

    But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

    Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

    Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

    "The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said.

    "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

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    To: Maurice Winn who wrote (31076)4/29/2012 9:39:59 PM
    From: Bilow
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    Hi Maurice Winn; Re:"Naked in a forest, we are almost perfect food. No horns, teeth, hide, scales, spikes, poisons, camouflage, speedy escape, burrowing, or other self-defence mechanisms."

    Even nekkid, humans are the most vicious predator in the forest. Even juvenile humans are good at throwing rocks. Since a predator cannot afford to lose an eye in return for a meal, they wisely leave humans alone.

    When you get up close to them, humans will grab stuff and use it to beat the crap out of you. In addition to rocks humans will use sticks. They seem unnaturally crafty in their selection of these sticks. It seems like they know what they're going to have to do with it and they pick up sticks that are light enough to use quickly but heavy enough to break bones. If they have time, they will sharpen their sticks and stones.

    If this weren't enough, when you find one human, a lot of the time you can expect to find a bunch more. The only thing worse than being pelted with rocks by a juvenile human is having a whole troop of them competing to see who is the most accurate. Really, you don't want to go there.

    And humans have an unnatural tendency to organize their violence. Say you find a human by itself and you get lucky and sneak up on it and get a meal. Well you'd better head for the hills cause the next thing there will be a whole pack of them after you. And there's lots of other stuff to watch out for. For instance, humans keep animal slaves. They can use these to follow your trail by smell or to carry them at high speed.

    And humans are designed to travel long distances more efficiently than any other predator. Even if they can't catch you in a sprint they can just keep tracking you until you fall over with exhaustion. It's really unfair; when you finally wear out one human, you find that its position is taken over by another. Even a 61-year-old humans are amazingly good at eating up the miles. [See Cliff Young who famously won a 544 mile ultra-marathon (Sydney / Melbourne), in the process trimming 2 days off the best time for it:] en.wikipedia.org

    No, humans are the most dangerous predator of all. (They're also amazingly graceful at times.)

    -- Carl

    P.S. Other than that, I agree with you completely on your post.

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    To: average joe who wrote (31078)4/29/2012 9:54:14 PM
    From: Hawkmoon
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    Yeah.. the discussion of the melting Ice caps of Mars has been long reported as evidence that solar activity is the primary influence governing planetary climate. But this obvious fact has been generally ignored by the "consenseless"..

    But also ignored is that the atmosphere of Mars is primarily CO2 (95%), which means that the entire planet should be a huge greenhouse in comparison the trace presence (parts per MILLION) CO2 exhibits in Earth's atmosphere.

    Hawk

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    To: average joe who wrote (31074)4/29/2012 10:54:29 PM
    From: Hawkmoon
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    Is that you giving the lecture on planetary warming throughout the solar system?

    And is there a Pt 2? Couldn't find it..

    Hawk

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    To: Hawkmoon who wrote (31080)4/29/2012 10:54:47 PM
    From: average joe
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    Mars would be an interesting place to try terraforming.



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    To: Bilow who wrote (31079)4/29/2012 11:40:47 PM
    From: Maurice Winn
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    You are quite right Bilow. And we will nuke them from a helicopter too if needs be. But you are simply repeating what I wrote. You missed the first sentence. Here it is again for ease of reference: < Taming nature and turning the four forces of the apocalypse to our advantage is what we do. Nature is out to get us and turn us into dinner. > It's what we do. We look around nature and see stones, sticks, wolf pups that can be turned into dogs to follow scents and horses which can be bred into racehorses to really cover the miles in a hurry. We gang up. Now we form a gang of 6 billion. We can do anything we like. Oh, sorry, I already wrote that.

    My point was that naked in the forest, with nothing but what we are made of, we are just a perfect dinner.

    But we are not. We are 6 billion strong, and millions of animals are on our side too. We are orchestrating the whole gene pool. And everything else. The four forces of the apocalypse bend to our will.

    Mqurice

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