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To: LTBH who wrote (11512)4/11/2012 9:29:46 PM
From: Steve Felix
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"Not real good at deciphering financials" / as a friend used to say, I resemble that remark! I'm not much of a numbers cruncher.

Please don't take my last post as personal in any way. I had seen GABUX in passing, but never looked into it before Pauls post. When I did I just didn't get it. Should have let UTG out of my response, as they are apples and oranges.

Being honest, I really don't know what Mr. Gabelli is doing and how he expects to keep it up. Quite possibly I need someone to give me a primer.

He has a lot of "cash".
$537,358,000 U.S. Treasury Bills,
0.000% to 0.070%††,
†† Represents annualized yield at date of purchase.

I've never seen a utility fund fact sheet where I can't find the yield.
According to both Yahoo and Morningstar it is .78%.

He isn't borrowing cheap money to up income:
"The Fund may not borrow money except for (1) short-term credits from banks as may be necessary for the clearance of portfolio transactions, and (2) borrowings from banks for temporary or emergency purposes, including the meeting of redemption requests, which would otherwise require the untimely disposition of its portfolio securities."

He can do repurchase agreements, options on stocks, futures, and indexes, short sales, swaps, etc.
Whatever he does, he needs to make about 14.7% to cover expenses and the distribution.

Maybe he is that good or maybe I just don't understand.

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To: E_K_S who wrote (11513)4/11/2012 9:45:39 PM
From: Steve Felix
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I own it in my taxable account where the only other ute I have is PPL.

Bought after the Japan blow up at $21.70. The subsequent raise gave me a yoc of 6.9%.
I'm content just to hold it, for now at least.

Just learned something. CEF connect 52 week low is on the close.
UTG traded as low as $19.92 last August.

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To: LTBH who wrote (11512)4/11/2012 11:06:06 PM
From: straight life
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I looked at GABUX on yahoo! I went to charting, interactive, and called up the maximum, which gave me a chart going back to 2000, when the price was $12... since then there's been a decline to $5.90, so in 12 years it's been cut in half.

Then I looked at the Profile; Expense Ratio 1.40% plus a 12b-1 charge; putting in $10,000 and holding it there for 10 years and you'll pay them $1,713 for the privilege.

Maybe that works for you. Just saying what I saw, is all. That's what we do on these boards, throwing around ideas, working them out.

I enjoyed the exercise; thanks for bring it to my attention.

By the way, I then hit View Top Utility Funds. The top performer for 1,3 and 5 years is GASFX.

Better chart, half the cost (.71 expense ratio, plus no 12b-1 charge)... but a much smaller dividend, yield of 2.48%

if you do a Compare on the interactive chart, GASFX is up 40% and GABUX is down 50% since 2000

On a one year, GABUX is down 10%, while GASFX is up 10%

throw in the dividends and it's GABUX is up 4% versus GASFX is up 12.48%

(that's before factoring in the fact that Gabelli charges you more than twice as much, adding in the additional 12b-1, which is where you get charged for them publicizing their fund, which never really sat that well with me).

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To: E_K_S who wrote (11513)4/12/2012 6:52:53 AM
From: bruwin
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"Hard for me to pay a 6.3% premium for a CEF Fund when I can construct a basket of shares myself. I also get to pay a 1.93% annual fee (that's each and every year regardless of how the fund performs!) to boot."

I would absolutely agree with you E_K_S.

If, as an example, you take that 10 stock "Buffett Portfolio" that I report on in my Board, one would now have a Capital Gain of about 15% after 6 months. And, in addition, most of those companies also pay a dividend.

Sergio H's 10 stock list would have gained about 24% over the same time period.

If one had combined the two then the 20 stock list would have gained one about 19%, excluding dividends.

I wonder how many managed funds would have given one those results after 6 months, AFTER deduction of fund expenses etc.. ?

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To: E_K_S who wrote (11513)4/12/2012 6:56:16 AM
From: MoneyPenny
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Gabelli Utility Trust:GUT


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52 Wk Avg$7.30$5.4932.78%
52 Wk High$8.22$5.8849.53%
52 Wk Low$6.06$4.7315.84%

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To: MoneyPenny who wrote (11518)4/12/2012 6:57:55 AM
From: MoneyPenny
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GUT by Gabelli always sells at a huge premium. Go figure. (couldn't comment within the chart) MP

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To: MoneyPenny who wrote (11519)4/12/2012 8:59:34 AM
From: vireya
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I was told by a bigtime fd mgr to stay away from anything Gabelli

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To: chowder who wrote (11497)4/12/2012 4:23:28 PM
From: Ditchdigger
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(Reuters) - Dow Chemical Co raised its quarterly dividend 28 percent, saying it is confident its earnings will continue to rise.

The quarterly payout from the largest U.S. chemical maker by sales will rise to 32 cents from 25 cents.

The dividend will be payable on July 30 to shareholders of record as of June 29.

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To: Ditchdigger who wrote (11521)4/12/2012 5:30:48 PM
From: JimisJim
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Just read an article about how US and other country chemical companies are all bringing their factories back (or expanding existing) to the US because most can use dirt cheap ng as feed stock and get a 50-1 cost advantage over foreign chem companies using oil. Many of them had moved out and are now moving back. NG may be close to bottom, but for chem companies, all this almost free ng in the US will continue to boost their profits for at least several years and give US chem companies a competitive advantage.

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To: JimisJim who wrote (11522)4/12/2012 6:17:33 PM
From: Ditchdigger
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Hi Jim, DOW mentioned awhile back the possibility of hedging some of their ng costs for the future. Don't know if they acted on it or were just tossing it out there to gauge reaction. I thought it sounded like a good idea.


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