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To: mindmeld who wrote (113315)5/9/2012 11:55:39 PM
From: tejek of 133964
 
No, he did not move the recession to the end of 2012 and for the last year he has been consistent in his forecast that we'll enter a recession in the first half of 2012

You are so FOS........I can't believe how much you have changed.

First of all, in May of 2011, ECRI came on Real Money and warned that the US might be headed back into recession. It wasn't a public announcement but I remember feeling sick to my stomach.

Then in Sept, 2011, ECRI said we were "tipping" into recession:

On September 30th, ECRI publicly announced that the U.S. is tipping into a recession, a call the Institute had announced to its private clients on September 21st. Here is an excerpt from the announcement:

Early last week, ECRI notified clients that the U.S. economy is indeed tipping into a new recession. And there’s nothing that policy makers can do to head it off.

ECRI’s recession call isn’t based on just one or two leading indexes, but on dozens of specialized leading indexes, including the U.S. Long Leading Index, which was the first to turn down — before the Arab Spring and Japanese earthquake — to be followed by downturns in the Weekly Leading Index and other shorter-leading indexes. In fact, the most reliable forward-looking indicators are now collectively behaving as they did on the cusp of full-blown recessions, not “soft landings.” (Read the report here.)



http://investmentwatchblog.com/ecri-recession-watch-decline-in-growth-index-continues-to-moderate/


And now its the recession is scheduled for the end of 2012. That's almost two years from when they started calling for a recession and over a year since they said the US were "tipping" into recession. ECRI looks very stupid......at least to me.

Are you deliberately trying to mislead people with your rhetoric? That's the problem when smart people call things so far in advance. All sorts of delusional people forget what actually has happened over the last year and start rewriting history.

Again, the ECRI said last year that we'd see a recession begin sometime in the first half of 2012. They just recently reaffirmed that forecast. Those are the facts.

Huh? We are not anywhere close to a recession right now. What is wrong with you?

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113314)5/10/2012 12:00:21 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
FYI. Cisco had a sobering forecast...due in large part to the Eurozone. Like I said, the Eurozone's issues are going to drag us down into recession. It's a virtual certainty.

Go back and look at Cisco's quarters for over the past year. Each of those earning calls were "sobering". Why? Cisco sells a great deal of equipment to gov'ts.........guess what's not been growing for the past 4 years........and John Chamber's mgmt is starting to look not very good.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113313)5/10/2012 12:02:14 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
Look up the definition of recession.......and then get back to me.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113309)5/10/2012 12:04:11 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
So you prefer Socialism? Look everywhere that Socialism has been tried on a large scale it either leads to economic collapse if taken too far, or it leads to greatly reduced growth as is the case in Europe. We have always opted for less Socialism in the US, which has lead to much higher growth, as well as more volatility and faster, sharper downturns.

i like the mix of capitalism and socialism practiced in the nordic nations. Things are very good in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland and Finland.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113308)5/10/2012 12:06:47 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
I hope the article is right and that the recession will be short lived. BTW, the Greeks are about to elect a leftist government, which brings them closer to my preferred solution for Greece. If the lefty is elected and can form a majority, he will disavow the troika deal and likely default on the Greek debt, while resuming spending and cutting back on austerity. That will give Greece a chance again. I hope he doesn't get painted as a crazy. We'll see.

The far left was elected and has refused to join with the other parties to form a gov't. If they continue to refuse, Greece has to have new elections.

As I've said all along, all of this massive debt should never have been allowed to continue to build. We need to let the free market clear the debt through defaults and bankruptcy. That will punish the banks who criminally expanded the debt, while resetting the economies of the world for future growth with a lower debt burden. Same applies in the US. I hate it that our Fed bought up the bank's toxic debts and thus transferred that risk to the taxpayer. We should have forced those banks to eat their peas on that debt, instead of forcing the taxpayer to shoulder the burden. So unfair and so unAmerican and so unCapitalistic.

The free market sucks. Its what allows the inequities that exist between the 1% and the 99%. That's one of several major flaws.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113303)5/10/2012 12:07:53 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
I don't know what Romney MAY do. But I know exactly what Obama is doing today. He's in bed with WS

And Romney is above it all. LOL. You're funny.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113301)5/10/2012 12:08:21 AM
From: tejek of 133964
 
What do you call a Fed Chairman who believes in Central Economic Planning and Centrally control price setting?

A smart man. You will not scare me with Republican scare tactics by using commie terms.

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To: tejek who wrote (113319)5/10/2012 12:44:28 AM
From: John Vosilla of 133964
 
Huh? We are not anywhere close to a recession right now. What is wrong with you?


The confusion is to most it seems we have been in recession for five years with deleveraging ongoing since Obama won the election in the height of the financial crisis making it feel even worse. I doubt we tip into 'official' recession in the USA now given the strength of corporate balance sheets and the steep yield curve.. ECRI seemed to indicate last Fall recession was unavoidable and was happening soon not the second half of 2012. It can also be argued inflation is somewhat understated thus real GDP in this 'slowdown' is overstated putting it close to zero and some of what ECRI has expected on a more global basis has occurred.

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To: tejek who wrote (113263)5/10/2012 1:19:18 AM
From: John Vosilla of 133964
 
It's also worth noting George W. Bush is the only modern president to experience a loss in private-sector jobs over his time in office.


If you take out the 2008 financial crisis he averaged a pitiful 70k jobs a month even with the phoney housing/credit bubbles and huge build up of the military industrial complex as big drivers. Too many driven by ideology and hate of Obama as if all our problems started Jan 20, 2009. Ask a winger what he was concerned about back in 2005-06 when the ownership society was in full bloom?

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To: mindmeld who wrote (113290)5/10/2012 8:01:44 AM
From: Road Walker of 133964
 
However, I think all the signs have arrived pretty much as per my original prediction, which was that we'd have the start of a recession by first half 2012.

Actually you said we would have a recession in the first half, which would require negative growth in Q1. And until you are proven right you probably shouldn't get a cramp patting yourself on the back.

It may save you some money, if you are aggressively invested right now.

I'm defensive right now... as I always am this time of year. I may play for a summer, election year rally sometime in June.

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