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To: tejek who wrote (111803)3/28/2012 7:39:44 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
No housing recovery despite all the hoping.

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Case Shiller Report: Down

By Jeff Harding, on March 27th, 2012
The Case-Shiller home price index for January, 2012 came out today showing monthly (0.8%) and yearly (3.9% and 3.8%) home price decreases in its 10- and 20-city indices:

Home Price Indices, the leading measure of U.S. home prices, showed annual declines of 3.9% and 3.8% for the 10- and 20-City Composites, respectively. Both composites saw price declines of 0.8% in the month of January. Sixteen of 19 MSAs also saw home prices decrease over the month; only Miami, Phoenix and Washington DC home prices went up versus December 2011. (Due to delays in data reporting, the January 2012 index values for Charlotte are not included in this month’s release). Eight MSAs and both Composites posted new index lows in January. The 10- and 20-City Composites recorded marginal improvements in annual returns over December 2011 when they each posted -4.1%. In addition to the Composites, Dallas, Denver, Miami, Minneapolis, New York, Phoenix, San Diego, Seattle, Tampa and Washington DC saw their annual rates improve compared to December; while nine of the MSAs saw their annual returns worsen compared to what was reported for December 2011. Denver, Detroit and Phoenix were the only cities to post positive annual growth rates of +0.2%, +1.7% and +1.3%, respectively. Atlanta again posted the lowest annual (and only double-digit negative) return at -14.8%.

As noted, all cities declined except Miami, Phoenix, and Washington DC. Miami and Phoenix were the epicenters of the over-building epidemic. Washington is growing because government is expanding.



Prices are back to 2003 levels: a decade of building wiped out.

The percent changes were as follows:



The word “bottom” is being thrown out these days. I believe that depends on your market and the level of overbuilding. Places like Miami and Phoenix are seeing an influx of investors seeking cheap sunbelt homes. This wouldn’t be the first time people have thought we have bottomed out. My guess is that some markets are bottoming out. But I don’t think on a national basis that we are seeing stabilization because of the still large overhang of the shadow inventory–those homes about to be foreclosed, likely to be foreclosed, and homeowners who are upside down in their property.

Here is the market data:



Much of the impact of foreclosure activity, and thus home prices, is related to the start-stop impact of various government programs and announcements regarding the rights and duties of homeowners in a foreclosure, plus aid programs. It appears that foreclosures have stepped up again. Before buying, determine your local market and the level of overbuilding (inventory), the size of the shadow market, and that should give you an idea of where you are in the cycle.

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (111818)3/28/2012 7:50:16 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
Well, I fundamentally disagree with allowing derivatives where I can bet on the decline of an asset I don't hold. If I can buy fire insurance on your house, then I can make sure that insurance pays off. That's a terrible, purposeless instrument. Derivatives used to hedge legitimate business transaction, like fuel future used by airlines and the like, are good. Derivatives used purely for speculative purposes that act as a tax on the real economy, but add no productive value to the economy, are bad.

In addition, the collateral requirements on these derivatives are nothing short of ludicrous. It encourages wild 30X speculation that can easily bring down entire countries, much less speculative firms.

Warren Buffet hit the mark when he called them weapons of financial mass destruction. He's exactly right. It's spun way out of control and most of it adds no value to the real economy. Banks have become casinos. It's time to roll back their range of speculative, parasitic activity so that the real productive economy can thrive.

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To: Road Walker who wrote (111826)3/28/2012 7:53:09 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
LOL. damn, now, isn't that the most contrarian indicator ever. If Jamie Dimon says the threat of recession is behind us, then I'll make sure I go real conservative, because it means he's trying to sell off all his risk assets, because he sees a looming disaster ahead of us. :)

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To: tejek who wrote (111831)3/28/2012 8:00:58 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
Ted,
you really miss the point. If our GDP growth is 2% of $15 trillion, then that's about $300B GDP growth. But if our government is spending $1.5 trillion more than it takes in and the deficit is financed through debt paid for with printed dollars, then that $300B in growth, really is more like a $1.2 trillion contraction.

So nominal GDP growth = 2%, or $300B, but real GDP growth = -8%, or -$1.2 trillion.

Another way to look at this is if you have 1 piece of pie and I cut it into 3 pieces, keep 1 for myself, and give you the remaining 2 pieces, I'd bet you'd claim you increased your wealth by 100%, when in reality you have lost 33% of your wealth. That is what is happening in this country, but you seem to be fooled by all the illusions of wealth that the money printing Bernanke is spinning.

Real wealth and real GDP growth is created from savings and investment of capital into productive assets. Printing money or deficit spending to goose the growth figures is not the way to create real or sustainable growth. Bernanke is crucifying the savers in this country that typically generate the savings and capital for investment, while at the same time he is printing money. He is giving the US' real economy a one two punch and the real economy is reeling. It's time for him to be replaced with someone who knows what they are doing. Helicopter Ben is a one trick pony and he is very destructive to our long term prosperity.

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (111692)3/28/2012 8:19:40 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
What difference will it make if the current generation mortgages their future? We're borrowing from their future to drive up the Entitlements of this generation. In my book, that is called generational theft and it is immoral. It's literally like the parent stealing from his son.

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (111702)3/28/2012 8:20:14 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
You may be right, but that is the consequence of making the Federal Government the one you guarantees all school loans. If this was left to private industry, then banks would lend to those who were capable of paying back the loan, which means they would have required the PARENTS to co-sign the loan. That's how it was done back in my day. Since my parents couldn't get enough loans to put me through school, I often had to work 30 hours a week as well as carry a full credit load to make it through. I did it with work, loans, scholarships, and sweat. Nowadays, since the gov't backstops everything, the loan to students have gone through the roof...$1 trillion in school loans at last count and non of it dischargeable in bankruptcy. Our gov't is finding every way possible to destroy the future of our children. Borrowing from their future to give Entitlements to the old people and saddling the young with debts so large, they can never pay them back, but not allowing them to discharge them in bankruptcy. It is criminal what we're doing to the young people today.

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To: tejek who wrote (111711)3/28/2012 8:30:32 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
I have found that the main stream media is far more biased. They engage in massive selection bias. They only report on issues that fit the agendas they want to drive. I have found that issues like robosigning, Constitutional violations, and other majorly substantive issues are picked up by the bloggers a full 6 months to a year in advance of main stream media and the reporting is far more accurate among the bloggers.

Think about it this way. All mainstream media is now owned by 5 mega corporations in the US. Some are left leaning and others right leaning, but they all have an agenda in alignment with the major parties in this country. The bloggers are far more diverse and don't have corporate masters telling them what to report, nor editors softening their reporting, nor editors forcing them to show both opinions, when one opinion is not supported by the facts.

If all you watch is CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News, then you are at a severe disadvantage in this age where information is power. The Internet is the great Democratizing force in the world. Nowhere is that more evident in the ability of people from diverse walks of life to report on the news from their angle.

I highly recommend that you dispense with your bias against bloggers. The mainstream media is old news and it is manipulated. The bloggers are raw, oftentimes inacurate, and they can be biased. However, if you pick a diverse group of relatively reputable bloggers, you can ensure you are far more informed. More often than not, they cite their sources, so you have a trail to follow anyway.

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To: tejek who wrote (111756)3/28/2012 8:53:09 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
You point to one fact and say that is the rule. I'm looking at many different data points, including leading indicators. Most are deteriorating, not recovering.

Another point. I've said a few times on this thread that this is a bifurcated recovery. The top 1% are reaping massive rewards. The top 1% are the execs at these companies and their incentive is to hoard cash, not to engage in productive growth. Not when the uncertainties of future demand are so great. And they aren't hiring fast enough to grow faster than the population, which is one of the reasons that labor participation rates are plummeting. The 99% are suffering greatly with wage stagnation and price inflation on all key items they purchase daily. This is not a recipe for an expanding economy, considering that 70% of the US GDP is based on Consumer Spending.

Bernanke is first and foremost the root cause of much of what is going wrong. He has fostered moral hazard by bailing out the TBTFs. He has fostered out of control Congressional spending through is QE programs. He has hammered the productive class of savers through zero percent interest rates. He has hammered the 99% through price inflation from his money printing. And he has enriched the top 1%, through his programs designed to prop up the stock market.

This has all become a very sad joke. Bernanke is the epicenter of the destructive policies of Bolshevik Central Economic Planning. He needs to be kicked out on his ass, asap.

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To: tejek who wrote (111760)3/28/2012 8:54:49 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
Stop killing the messenger and listen to the message to learn something.

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To: tejek who wrote (111761)3/28/2012 8:56:11 PM
From: mindmeld   of 134383
 
His track record of not know what he's doing? He says his policies have worked, but that we may need more QE. If his policies had worked, we wouldn't need more QE. Heroin looks like it works to cure the heroin withdrawal symptoms, but does it really make the patient more healthy? Please.

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