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To: idahoranch1 who wrote (17752)4/6/2012 6:07:02 PM
From: idahoranch1   of 20665
 
I see all my "this was the original, didn't copy over:

I still can't get it to copy over, the bottom "2014-01 (Anticipated) is now 2013-04






Recruitment Information Status Start date Last follow-up date Primary completion date
Recruiting
2010-12
2014-02 (Anticipated)
2014-01 (Anticipated)

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To: idahoranch1 who wrote (17753)4/6/2012 7:54:13 PM
From: stockdoc77   of 20665
 
I'm not positive what to make of it, but on its face it suggests that UCB has managed to fully enroll at least one of the two trials, my guess is the other one is not far behind. As it is a 48 week (or is it 52?) week trial, data readout would be that long after enrollment closes. Headline results should be reported fairly soon after that. Because enrollment has been spread out over 18 months or so many of the patients will have long finished the trial and their data has already been collected.

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To: stockdoc77 who wrote (17754)4/6/2012 8:15:12 PM
From: idahoranch1   of 20665
 
It's a 48 week trial, so the change suggests that at least one trial is very close to fully enrolled. That is significant. It would be logical to assume the other trial isn't far behind. How big would it be for the trials to fully enroll this summer?

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To: idahoranch1 who wrote (17755)4/6/2012 8:17:06 PM
From: stockdoc771 Recommendation   of 20665
 
My intense skepticism about this stock is starting to thaw just a bit. I may be issuing a new rec this week, need to do some DD and confirm some things.

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To: stockdoc77 who wrote (17756)4/6/2012 11:01:48 PM
From: kdd9991 Recommendation   of 20665
 
Stockdoc, you certainly know how to build suspense!




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To: idahoranch1 who wrote (17751)4/7/2012 12:37:54 PM
From: watchmymovement3 Recommendations   of 20665
 
Why are you so defensive of the Goldenbergs? I realize you have had a personal relationship over the years with them, but that should not shut out other posters opinions. I didn't buy my investment to support their playing science roulette. After 30 years of no sales as pointed out by others, I think it's time to make them put up or shut up. Time for new management who are sales oriented. That's the reason for investing as well as the patients thinking every day they may have their lives lengthened and suffering alleviated. I hope that thought occurs to them at least occasionally. Thirty years is a long time for those suffering as they do.

I know you won't agree but your answer to my last post was ludicrous.

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To: watchmymovement who wrote (17758)4/7/2012 12:53:23 PM
From: stockdoc772 Recommendations   of 20665
 
I share your frustration with the stock price, and I am disappointed in how the management has done certain things, but I don't see Idaho's response as off the wall, he was rebutting your post point by point, which is a legitimate thing to do. I don't see him as defending the management in that post, but I do think the critiques of the management on this board range from solid to imaginative at best. Claiming that IMMU is essentially a ponzi scheme to enrich G and CIndy is patently false I don't have any sympathy for those claims. The fact that they have been working for x number of years without a result is also neither here nor there, that is a true statement about pharma research in general, it is a total crapshoot with no guarantee of outcome no matter how long you spend. In those 30 years they have developed a total of 3 compounds of clinical interest, E V and PAM. They have moved those forward to the point that we can now see a finish line in 1-3 years. If that is a time horizon you can put up with, then stick around and don't sell.

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To: watchmymovement who wrote (17758)4/7/2012 2:07:58 PM
From: idahoranch12 Recommendations   of 20665
 
<<Why are you so defensive of the Goldenbergs>>

If you can objectivity look at what I say, you will see that I'm defensive of the truth. I don't defend them where they aren't defensible, if I do, show me, everything I've written on this board for all these years is there. I'm for the truth good and bad.

<<I realize you have had a personal relationship over the years with them, but that should not shut out other posters opinions>>

It's nothing like you imagine it is. The most I ever talked to Dr. Goldenberg was when my granddaughter was 4 years old and had a tumor on her brain stem and I was looking for anything that might be out there to address that. She responded amazingly to her surgery at the University of Utah medical center. She just turned 15 yesterday and is in all honers classes and is doing great. I don't ever shut out anyone's opinions, but I will challenge statements of fact that are not true or can't be backed up. What's the bad in that?

<< After 30 years of no sales as pointed out by others, I think it's time to make them put up or shut up>>

Don't you think approvals have to happen first? If they hired a sales oriented team now, what would they sell? What they sell, and they HAVE is compounds to bigger companies who are supposed to take them to approval. They've done that. Amgen paid $18 million, UCB paid $38 million, Nycomed paid $60 million, UCB paid another $30 million and we expect another $30 million from them any day. It has not all been on the backs of shareholders. Add in grants over the years and that would add up to almost $200 million, with a market cap of $250 million that's significant. Those numbers are facts. So is the stock price, and that is certainly a big negative, I can't and won't argue it isn't.

<<I know you won't agree but your answer to my last post was ludicrous.>>

What did I say that was ludicrous.

Watch, I REALLY hope the stock moves to where you come out on it, I hope it moves past where you would sell it so quickly that you get to sell at a higher price than you would if it inches up. I think it can, I think E-mab is going to be the near term driver IF some things happen that force the shorts out. It does appear that UCB is enrolling patients more quickly than what they had estimated, that is a good thing. It cuts down the time by a lot that the shorts have to cover if they don't want to be holding millions of shares short when the data comes out that could cost them over $100 million. If the top line data is anything like the aborted phase lll data or the dose ranging data, it will be obvious that E-mab is nothing like benlysta, that it is much better and will sell better. Sure it could disappoint, that is the bet, but it isn't a smart short bet and I don't think they will be in that bet come data presenting day. In fact, institutions or hedge funds will likely start getting in well ahead of that day and one just never knows when that starts to happen.

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To: watchmymovement who wrote (17758)4/7/2012 2:20:07 PM
From: duwhee2 Recommendations   of 20665
 
I'm fine with any defense of the Goldenberg and Sullivan. The personal side balances out some of my ideas about them that would otherwise be one sided.

I also realize that we are not talking about products like computer chips or toaster ovens etc. that can be pushed to market without years and years of regulatory hurdles.
Marketing Immunomedics the company and its science... selling the world on Dr. Goldenberg's science has been lacking.
One way we've all seen this is when something like Lupus is mentioned in a news article, IMMU is not the featured company with the go to spokesperson for a good quote. Nope. IMMU often does not even get mentioned as "also working on a cure are...." at the end of the page.
IMMU has always seemed content to send out the notice and abstract with minor and rather dry comment from Ms. Sullivan. One of those releases where when they write the word "excited" you get bored and lose interest.
One thing marketing does is aggregate all the good news, get a handle on what this means in English and what sort of progress this really is... and then put the whole package out for the world to see in a way that is exciting and engaging.

Questions I'd like to ask here is who knows what DNL is and what it can do?
Does it need it's own trials or does it depend on others to incorporate it into their own?
How soon could drugs using this system be delivered into the market?

I read the releases and think that this isn't a blockbuster like we are waiting for, but could DNL provide a nice near term revenue stream to help fund other activities?
Or is DNL just a bunch of neat stuff that sadly no one really needs?

Thanks for the conversation

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To: duwhee who wrote (17761)4/7/2012 3:13:29 PM
From: idahoranch14 Recommendations   of 20665
 
I agree with that Duwhee, they haven't utilized outside PR firms that could keep them in front of the right news people who could be working to keep IMMU's name attached to most all lupus news. It's disheartening to see a lupus story on a front page or in a big name publication and a few companies mentioned as having drugs in trials and IMMU's name totally absent. It costs money, but with the right approach and firm, a lot could be done to make more readers aware of IMMU's name. They've hired a couple for R&D day presentations, but it stops there. It's an area that's simply not been utilized like it should be.

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