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To: ksuave who wrote (742)11/2/2006 12:13:03 PM
From: Coz   of 1262
 
ksuave, HBO is running a documentary tonight on hacking voting machines.

hbo.com 

Diebold is trying to stop them from airing it through legal maneuvering, but so far it's still set to air.

Also, bradblog.com is a clearing house for voting machine irregularities. So far, in every incident of voting machine "malfunctions," the vote switches democratic votes to republican. Not an single incident so far where the machines flip a republican vote to a democrat.

Bev Harris at black box voting (http://blackboxvoting.org/) is putting together a massive effort to document all of this so by the 2008 elections we may be able to rid ourselves of the problematic machines and go back to paper ballots that can be counted and recounted. She is asking everyone, in states where it is allowed, to bring a video camera with them to record the machine bahavior when they enter their voting choices.

--Coz

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To: Coz who wrote (745)11/2/2006 12:26:24 PM
From: ksuave   of 1262
 
Coz -- Have you noticed how the right-wing blogs are going on how Hugo Chavez was only elected through the rigging of ballot machines, and that the same machines are being used in many US districts. I can't wait to hear the Repugs start comparing newly elected Dem members of the House to Hugo Chavez.

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To: ksuave who wrote (746)11/2/2006 12:41:33 PM
From: Coz   of 1262
 
ksuave, I just read a post stating that the Sequoia machines (Sequoia is owned by Venezuelan businessmen not Hugo Chavez as the bloggers are so fond of saying) have a yellow button on the back. After you cast your vote, if you hit the button, you can vote again... and again... and again...

It adds new meaning to the old saw, vote early, vote often.

All the brands of these machines are so easily hacked, that it really casts a dark cloud over the whole process. At the very least their should be a paper trail, but some states such as Georgia have passed laws making paper ballots or paper receipts of electronically cast votes illegal. You really have to scratch your head and ask how that benefits the people of America.

--Coz

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To: Coz who wrote (747)11/2/2006 6:36:56 PM
From: longnshort   of 1262
 
I assume you have read about Acorn and what they were just caught doing. I'm sure the NY Times will talk about liberal election fraud

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To: Coz who wrote (747)11/2/2006 9:06:44 PM
From: longnshort   of 1262
 
Maryland balloting beset with doubts, vulnerability

By Jon Ward


November 2, 2006

Lynn Rego files applications for absentee ballots at the Anne Arundel County [Md.] Board of Elections in Glen Burnie yesterday. Lynn Rego files applications for absentee ballots at the Anne Arundel County [Md.] Board of Elections in Glen Burnie yesterday. Michael Connor (THE WASHINGTON TIMES)

Maryland is on track to repeat the chaos of the 2000 election in Florida.
Even without "butterfly" ballots and hanging chads, Maryland faces several elections-related problems that threaten the accuracy and promptness of Tuesday's results.
Uncertainty looms about the state's electronic voter rolls, the number and training of poll workers, and anticipated challenges in the aftermath of Election Day.
"I am very concerned," said U.S. Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Maryland Democrat. "I don't want anything to undermine this democracy."
• Electronic voting
The security and reliability of the state's electronic voting machines have been questioned for months, and the machines' performance in September's primaries have reinforced doubts about Tuesday's balloting.
"We're setting ourselves up to become another Florida. ... How can you have confidence in the outcome of the election?" said the Rev. Bobby Henry, an attorney and associate minister at Jericho City of Praise in Landover. "Have we gotten these voting machines fixed?"
According to a recent study by Princeton University, Diebold Election Systems Inc.'s electronic voting machines -- which are being used in Maryland and other states -- are "vulnerable to a number of extremely serious attacks that undermine the accuracy and credibility of the vote counts it produces."
The Princeton report echoes the findings of several other studies that have found the machines vulnerable to hackers and viruses.
Two weeks ago, a 2004 version of the computer code used in Diebold's machines was mailed anonymously to a former delegate.
Many officials have railed against the machines' lack of a paper trail to verify votes. The Democrat-controlled legislature this year killed a bill that would have set up machines to scan paper ballots. WHY
In September's primary elections, faulty electronic voting machines, some of which rebooted continually after 40 votes had been cast, caused extensive delays. Many voters were turned away from the polls.
Diebold officials say they have fixed the problem, and state elections Administrator Linda H. Lamone has said each local board will use paper voter rolls as a backup, but computer science specialists are skeptical.
Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican seeking re-election, and Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan, a Democrat, have criticized the reliability and security of the machines and have encouraged voters to use absentee ballots.
• Absentee ballots
The Maryland State Board of Elections yesterday said that voters have requested a record 183,239 absentee ballots.
A state elections official said that Democrats have requested 90,097 and Republicans 75,209.
Because absentee votes are not included in Election Day tallies, final results for close contests won't be available for several days after the election.
"If it's a very close election, it could turn on the absentee ballots and the provisional ballots," said state Sen. Brian E. Frosh, Montgomery County Democrat.
What's more, absentee ballots have their own issues with regard to security and reliability.
"When you send out a ballot, you don't know who got it and who's voting it. ... Somebody could give a bribe to somebody to vote for them," said Robert J. Antonetti Sr., acting elections director for Prince George's County.
Anne Arundel County elections officials have reported that some voters are making multiple requests for absentee ballots, which could result in several ballots being mailed to them.
Voters who return multiple ballots should be caught in a search of the state's computerized voter rolls database, officials said, adding that it nonetheless creates more work for elections workers.
"It's a very, very difficult time," said Barbara Fisher, Anne Arundel's elections director.
• Elections judges
Judges failed to show or showed up late in Prince George's County and in Baltimore for the primary elections, causing polls to open late.
Those jurisdictions, among others, were directed to recruit and train new judges before Election Day.
Most counties have met their goals, but Prince George's, where elections officials initially estimated they needed 1,000 new judges, has recruited fewer than 300.
Each polling location is required to have at least one Democrat and one Republican chief judge.
But the state attorney general's office has issued an opinion saying that polling places can open on time even if the required judges are not present.
The Washington Times has reported that local elections boards have had trouble recruiting younger judges who are more skilled with electronic voting machines.
• Legal challenges
Democratic and Republican officials in Maryland are marshaling a cadre of lawyers in anticipation of legal challenges to vote-gathering and vote-counting procedures in Tuesday's general elections.
Maryland Democrats have assembled about 500 lawyers and poll watchers. Republicans have a team of a few hundred but are not releasing an exact number.
"We have numerous areas of concern, and our attorneys will ensure that our election is carried out with integrity and honesty, and that every valid voter that wants to vote can vote and does," said Audra Miller, Maryland Republican Party spokeswoman.

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To: ksuave who wrote (746)11/2/2006 9:08:27 PM
From: longnshort   of 1262
 
Four ACORN Members Charged With Felonies
Nov 2 2006 2:08PM
sayanythingblog.com 
This from a left-wing group that is, along with the Democrats, the nation’s foremost opponent to voter ID laws:




Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.





Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a group that works to improve minority and low-income communities.





The four indicted—Kwaim A. Stenson, Dale D. Franklin, Stephanie L. Davis and Brian Gardner—were employed by ACORN as registration recruiters. They were each charged with two counts.





Federal indictments allege the four turned in false voter registration applications. Prosecutors said the indictments are part of a national investigation.





ACORN and Project Vote recruit and assign workers to low-income and minority neighborhoods to register people to vote.





The Kansas City Election Board told KMBC they found suspicious forms, such as seven applications from one person and an application for a dead man.





“There is some motive behind it—this is not accidental,” said Ray James with the Kansas City Election Board.




You betcha there’s a motive behind it. It’s called “let’s steal an election.” After all, according to ACORN bragging they’ve collected some 35,000 voter registrations in Kansas City alone:




Last month, ACORN claimed to have processed more than 35,000 voter registration applications in Kansas City since the summer.




And Kansas City is in a state where in one election, key for both national Republicans and Democrats, 35,000 is more than enough to swing the race.





So, just to sum it all up for you, ACORN is working with Democrats to oppose voter ID laws across the nation even as ACORN is guilty of submitting fraudulent voter registration in states with hotly contested Congressional races.





As I’ve said before, if this were a right-wing group that had opposed voter ID’s and then was found to have submitted fraudulent voter registrations in areas where key races were taking place the media would be all over this. It’d likely be the biggest final story right before the election. As it is, the media isn’t interested in covering this at all.

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To: longnshort who wrote (749)11/3/2006 1:52:42 AM
From: Coz   of 1262
 
The Democrat-controlled legislature this year killed a bill that would have set up machines to scan paper ballots. WHY

It amazes me the way you will find one line in a thousand word article that seems to say something bad about a democrat and that is the only thing you see.

I tried to look this up at the Washington Post, but could not find it there yet... maybe tomorrow. But, it looks to me like you added the word "WHY". I couldn't begin to answer that as this is not what this article is about, but I could guess that they had already purchased the touch screen machines, or perhaps it has something to do with HAVA. I know the Help Americans Vote Act was had a bias toward paperless systems to which I can only say WHY?

Regardless, I'm not trying to say Democrats have never committed voter fraud or even that they would never do it now. What I was getting at is that most Americans will either be voting on or having their votes tabulated by electronic machines that are easily hackable. This is just intolerable as it will kill what is left of our democracy if people cannot believe in the results of elections. Paper ballots would go a long way towards correcting this.

As far as voter fraud, voter intimidation, voter manipulation, or any other act of voter disenfranchisement goes. I have absolutely NO sympathy for anyone who does that regardless if they are Republicans, Democrats, or anything else. It ought to be considered an act of treason to do these things. I would hope we could all agree with this.

--Coz

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To: longnshort who wrote (750)11/3/2006 2:05:33 AM
From: Coz   of 1262
 
Okay. This ACORN thing is from a blog which assumes because "The Kansas City Election Board told KMBC they found suspicious forms, such as seven applications from one person and an application for a dead man" that all 35,000 forms they turned in are all fraudulent. Personally, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion, and it would be easy for me to think of circumstances where the example mentioned of the eight bad forms could have occurred in a way that would have been completely innocent of those doing the registration. It could be anything from mistaken identity to dirty tricks by people who might not like ACORN.

But, without something other than a clearly biased report on a blog, I couldn't comment in a serious way. What I can say, though, is if these four individuals did commit a fraud, they need to be punished.

AGAIN, people have to believe that the vote is honest and fair, that when they make their mark it will be counted. Without that, what we love about our country will be lost forever.

--Coz

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To: Coz who wrote (751)11/3/2006 8:28:04 AM
From: longnshort   of 1262
 
you know nothing of Maryland politics. The dems have run this state for over 150 years, total corruption. 100% turn out in inner cities, zero out keys, etc.

Remember Pelosi's father was mayor of Baltimore for years, she has learn a lot of dirty tricks.

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To: Coz who wrote (751)11/3/2006 3:38:46 PM
From: LT   of 1262
 
Hello Everyone,

The discussion here is always interesting to say the least. There's enough voter fraud to go around for sure. Kennedy wouldn't have been President if he hadn't carried the dead vote in Chicago and we'd have been able to impeach Nixon a decade sooner....LOL Here a little levity for the other side....

Bushcronium: Noxious New Element Discovered

A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science. The new element has been named "Bushcronium." Bushcronium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311. These particles are held together by dark forces called 'morons', which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called 'peons'. The symbol for Bushcronium is "W".

Bushcronium's mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons in a Bushcronium molecule, forming new, slave-like 'iso-dopes'. This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Bushcronium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical Morass".

When catalyzed with money, Bushcronium activates Foxnewsium, an element that radiates shrill, incoherent noises. Foxnewsium is related and monetarily connected to Bushcronium, but has 1/2 as many peons but twice as many morons. Both Bushcronium and Foxnewsium are considered to be inherently criminal, noxious and potentially deadly to all human life on earth.

Have a goodest day,

LT the equal opportunity abuser....LOL

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