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To: TheSlowLane who wrote (772)4/1/2012 7:44:03 PM
From: marcos   of 1546
 
This poster seems to believe, on 24sep08, that it's the same Robert Talbot -

messages.finance.yahoo.com 

Quite a bit of background here - investorshub.advfn.com 

'Consolidated Cottonballs - Defunct, bankrupt, delisted' - lol, don't recall hearing of that one, must have been not long before the TRAC industries promotion

The new 'gold' promo is being hyped on another ihub thread, rumour is, not clicking on it or posting link for lack of time to take a bleach shower immediately after

en.wikipedia.org  - this fellow one of many he's sued ... stockwatch has streetwires in re others, if memory serves

'AGCZ > www.shakerzandmoverz.com has been compensated for services of irp and market awareness for 1 week 4/8/2010 $15,000 by third party Cunningham Adams'

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To: marcos who wrote (796)4/1/2012 9:17:35 PM
From: sysaphus   of 1546
 
marcos, not sure what you think my central question was since you seem to have mixed several things up into one big ball of mining agreement, politics, bumbling management [don't know were you got that from].
Feel free to clarify which you feel might be my "central question". Can't really respond otherwise.

We can agree that often answers aren't as simple as black and white just as we can no doubt agree that just as often answers are every bit as simple as black and white.
Which brings me back to the trouble with dealing with Dynasty. They don't offer much in the way of info or answers for anything making it impossible to tell if this is a black and white situation or a grey one.

And while I do appreciate all you guys speculating about why Dynasty may be doing the things they are doing, the fact is that it is all just speculation.
None of you guys can speak for Dynasty or knows any more than I do. Making no one's opinions better than anyone else's. A guess is a guess is a guess.


One "for sure" thing I found was in Dynasty's latest filing. And it was black and white.
Dynasty says in print that the contract is not an issue with regards to commercial production. So anyone believing the contract is the reason for no commercial production can suck back and reload. Unless of course you don't believe Dynasty's official document. In which case you may want to take the advice I get so often which is to "move on" if you don't trust management to submit an accurate document.
So if the contract is not the issue, what is? Politics? The concentrator? Ghosts in the machine? The full moon? Bad astrological chart? I dunno for sure and neither do any of you. And we won't know for sure unless Dynasty tells us and they're not telling us.

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To: sysaphus who wrote (798)4/2/2012 1:27:53 AM
From: marcos1 Recommendation   of 1546
 
'mixed several things up' - lol, hey doesn't Life itself do that, contrive to connect everything to everything else ... think maybe the process of analysing what's up with this company and its woeful shareprice would certainly touch on the mining agreement and its related politics, the relative degrees of management competence and energy, past present and future, along with a number of other facets, including, but not limited to, attempts at reassessment of management's dedication to the wellbeing of its shareholders ... depends on how far you want to go, everybody gets to decide for their ownselves

The central question as i see it, is as in my post -

'the central question,
of whether the wait for a mining agreement is good reason for the company to proceed as it is,
or whether the political situation is being used as excuse for slack-ass and/or bumbling management
'

It would be for you to lay out your central question, should it differ from mine, and supply your own answer as well, if you like ... my answer to mine, is that the wait forced by the political situation is good reason for the company to proceed as it is ... with some caveats of course, which is where the shades of grey come in, but basically imho they should just keep on developing, setting up better and better for the future when the royalties/regs situation gets clarified, and refrain from turning a fat positive cash-flow in the meantime, because doing so could inspire even stronger greed from the local powers that be

Of course it is all speculation, opinions, no one has suggested otherwise ... it seems we have a difference of opinions on some things, hardly surprising given the topic, and like i say above, it doesn't bother me in the least, hope it doesn't bother you, but if it does, too bad

What would official declaration of commercial production matter anyway, in the real world ... as things stand the sunk capex of mine and mill construction is being pared back, albeit slowly since they're expensing lots of development with higher costs and presumably lower grades, still it is being pared back, and a dollar there does holders as much good as a dollar on the bottom line, actually far more good under the present no-agreement situation imho

Makes a difference to accountants, who presumably enter figures into different columns, and exchange addition for subtraction, and vice versa ... almost certainly makes a difference to tax treatment - to know how, and how much, you'd have to know tax law of the locale ... but in real life terms, it don't matter a whit to company prospects when they do this, the lack of a mining agreement overrides everything, imho

Maybe they will declare c.p., there could be a reason of which we are not aware, perhaps some time limit to do with claims tenure, who knows ... but i promise you, i will not give a damn as to the exact date they do so, it's not what is important

What's most important is to nail down tax/royalty/regulation structure for as long a period as possible, so as to get on with the main job of operating a mining company, instead of just developing it while marking time under this nebulous never-never bullshit

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To: pstad60 who wrote (778)4/2/2012 2:11:02 AM
From: marcos   of 1546
 
That two-sentence paragraph, 'The Company is aware of actions...', appears in every aif going back to FY06, filed 20feb07 ... same wording every time ... in the 20feb07 aif though, this paragraph is just above it [under The Zaruma Gold Project, page 17] -

'The Company is aware that a locally-based third party has applied for and received certain limited mining
concessions from local authorities that could affect the Company’s ability to operate a small portion of the Zaruma
property. The Company considers these claims to be of no merit and the Company has not received notice of any
change in the status of its title to any of its concessions in Zaruma. Option payments required to be paid on one
concession of US$100,000 in 2004, and US$150,000 in February 2005 have been suspended, pursuant to the terms
of any agreement, pending resolution of this matter.
'

Next year, FY07 filed 31mar08, this paragraph is somewhat changed -

'The Company is aware that a locally-based, third party has applied for, and received, certain limited mining
concessions from local authorities that could affect the Company’s future ability to operate a small portion of the
Zaruma property. The Company believes, based upon legal advice received, that these claims have no standing
under Ecuador’s mining laws. The Company has not received notice of any change in the status of its title to any of
its concessions and has advised the relevant provincial and federal government agencies that it will strongly object
to any encroachment upon its concession rights.
'

Same the following year, then in FY09 filed 31mar10 it doesn't appear ... resolved, presumably, and distinct from the other



The possible involvement of the Talbot individual i find hugely entertaining ... Boca Raton now, lol, how fitting, used to operate out of Edmonton, long sordid story

100g/t silver at Jerusalem, over and above 12g/t and better gold, i'd forgotten that ... depending on the cutoff size for the small-miner category, which they say will be expressed in tonnes/day, it may be necessary to spin off Jerusalem ... as dividend to dmm holders maybe, or package it up under the name Jerusalem, list it on the AIM and sell a minority interest for big bucks to the brits -

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800k tonnes/day mill already in place at Zaruma ... divide 800,000 by 360 [surely gonna shut it down for the most significant holidays], you get 2222 tonnes/day, somewhat above the 1500t/d talked about as the upper limit of the small-miner class ... or you could run it at 67.5% of capacity and squeak by ... probably get its own class anyway, fitted to the operation, in any case it makes current market cap crazy cheap

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To: marcos who wrote (797)4/2/2012 5:28:56 AM
From: TheSlowLane   of 1546
 
Interesting. I spent some time looking at Andes and New World Gold this weekend. I felt like taking two showers after reading the Andes web site. Their definition of proven reserves is...unique...hopefully. They claim to be mining almost 100 oz a day and given that the geographical coordinates of their project are identical to the Zaruma project, one almost wonders if they aren't claiming Dynasty's output as their own. But if you look at New World Gold and Andes Gold, and did not know one was the parent company of the other, it might appear that there are two companies that are mining profitably. At any rate, if they are mining 100 ounces a day on dmm's properties, than, in essence, these guys are stealing our gold right out from under our noses. Not a word on the web site about mining contracts either! Contract? Who needs a contract!

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To: sysaphus who wrote (798)4/2/2012 5:41:43 AM
From: TheSlowLane   of 1546
 
When asked, they have consistently said that they are not going to declare commercial production before getting a contract. In your opinion, one statement in the md&a negates all of those declarations. I think we are all pretty much capable of interpreting things for ourselves, although granted those interpretations may not jibe with each other.

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To: sysaphus who wrote (798)4/2/2012 9:22:13 AM
From: Rocket Red   of 1546
 
Production and Sales

In 2011, the Company had sales of approximately $34.2 million from shipments of approximately 20,500 ounces of processed gold and 64,000 ounces of processed silver derived from intermittent operations at its processing plant in Zaruma while continuing testing and making improvements to the facility. Since operations at the Company's Zaruma Gold Project are in the pre-commercial phase, the proceeds from the sale of precious metals, net of production expenses and taxes, are credited to mine development costs and not recorded in the Company's consolidated statements of operations as permitted under International Financial Accounting Standards.

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To: TheSlowLane who wrote (802)4/2/2012 9:27:37 AM
From: labbe   of 1546
 
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To: TheSlowLane who wrote (802)4/2/2012 10:39:12 AM
From: sysaphus   of 1546
 
I think what you mean to say is that it is your opinion that my opinion is that one statement negates all of those differing declarations. You are assuming incorrectly. That is not my opinion at all.
I simply put down what is in black and white. I don't have an opinion because IMO there are not enough consistent facts to form one. Which is kinda my whole point.

Me pointing out the difference in what Dynasty says officially and what Dynasty may be saying behind the scenes was also part of my point about the lack of information from Dynasty and all the assuming that results.
What does or should one believe? What one sees in print that is an official statement or what one assumes from heresay and/or unofficial sources?

BTW since you disagree with what Dynasty has put into writing based on what I would assume are your own conversations with Dynasty representatives, would you mind telling us which Dynasty reps have, to quote you, "consistently said that they are not going to declare commercial production before getting a contract."

It would be interesting to discover who at Dynasty is giving out information contrary to Dynasty's official position.

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To: sysaphus who wrote (805)4/2/2012 10:51:34 AM
From: TheSlowLane   of 1546
 
Anyone can pick up the phone just like I did. I am just passing along what I heard which appears to be consistent with the approach the company is taking. You seem to have decided that taking an antagonistic approach will improve your chances of getting news out of the company. I suspect it will be equally as ineffective as my whining and pleading has been. <g> That is certainly your right as a shareholder but it is one that may not be appealing to all. At least the POG is cooperating today. I will take my victories where I can find them...

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