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From: calgarylady11/27/2011 7:33:10 PM
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Imagine if this happened in the US or Canada.. but NATO thinks "oops sorry" should cut it and can't figure out why the world has turned on them.. NATO has always been and always will be a murdering bunch of criminals. How many times do countries have to ask them to get out of their country. Neither NATO or US/Canadian soldiers are wanted in any country in the middle east.

Airstrikes on Pakistani troops unintended: Nato chief

The Nato airstrikes that killed and wounded dozens of Pakistani soldiers on Saturday were "unintended", alliance chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Sunday. A total of 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed and 13 others injured when Nato fighter jets and helicopters bombed two border posts in Mohmand tribal region near the Afghan border early Saturday morning.

"This was a tragic unintended incident. I fully support the ISAF (International Security Assistance Force) investigation which is currently underway. We will determine what happened, and draw the right lessons," Xinhua quoted Rasmussen as saying in a statement.

Rasmussen said following "the regrettable incident", he had written to Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to say that the deaths of Pakistani personnel were "as unacceptable and deplorable as the deaths of Afghan and international personnel".

He stressed that the joint interest of Nato and Pakistan was "in the fight against cross-border terrorism and in ensuring that Afghanistan does not once again become a safe haven for terrorists".

"Nato remains strongly committed to work with Pakistan to improve cooperation to avoid such tragedies in the future...Nato and Pakistan share a common goal: a stable Afghanistan in a peaceful region," he said.

Earlier in the day, Pakistani foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar spoke to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and conveyed the "deep sense of rage" felt across the country after the Nato attack.

As per Pakistan's foreign ministry, Khar rang up Clinton in the early hours of Sunday to inform the US government of the decisions taken by the Defence Coordination Committee which met in Islamabad on Saturday evening.

The meeting asked the US to vacate the Shamsi air base in Pakistan. It also decided to block supplies for Nato troops in Afghanistan via Pakistan.

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From: calgarylady11/27/2011 8:12:51 PM
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Ron Paul Walk the Line Song!

vocals and lyrics by John Jones

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To: calgarylady who wrote (25033)11/27/2011 9:25:17 PM
From: Webster Groves
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The name "NATO" or "coalition" or "ISAF" is but a mask to separate the player from his actions.
Notice that the Pak attack was not a US initiated event, even though US helicopters and jets from Baghram were involved. No, it's "NATO".

A related point is that the helicopters are equipped with military grade GPS. Their position at all times is overlaid on a screen in the copter that is accurate to almost 1 m. The border is also well known to the computer's map. The attack was not a mistake, and the Paks know this. The question for us out here in the peanut gallery is why ? What was to be gained here ?


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To: Webster Groves who wrote (25035)11/28/2011 10:34:42 AM
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maybe they were shot at first?

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To: cmg who wrote (25036)11/28/2011 1:11:40 PM
From: Webster Groves
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Shot at first ?

Well, let's do the math.

The two Pak mountain stations are 1.5 mi in from the border. It would take a pretty good shot and a pretty good small arm to hit a target in Afghanistan at that range, but maybe you could do it.

Second possibility, the special forces group was not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan. Some insurgent shot at them near the border station. None of the Paks woke up and instead they waited in their beds for the bombs to come.

Since I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, and I don't believe anybody else. The Afghan "shot at" statement came out over a day and a half after the incident. Plenty of time to memorize a script.

One thing is for certain, the jets knew they were bombing the Paks. Question is why.

If I were a Pak I would triple the price for NATO to move supplies through Pakistan. Take it or leave it.
If I were a "NATO commander" I would bomb all the Pak border stations because they seem to like it.


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From: tntpal11/28/2011 1:34:01 PM
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U.S. Congress to create Police State...

Well, It finally looks like so many of the fears expressed on this board over the years about a U.S. Police State are now coming out into the open in a new bill before Congress.
Read the whole article attached below - this one is making quite the rounds on SI today -
The time is now way over due time for 'the sheople' to wake up:

Congress to vote next week on EXPLICITLY creating a Police State - Zero Hedge 11/27/11


The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

But next week, Congress will vote on explicitly creating a police state.

The ACLU’s Washington legislative office

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.


The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.


The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday.


I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?


In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”


The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown...

I doubt that even our good friend, below, could have imagined the outright audacity of our government officials today.
At least in his day they tried to hide their intentions...

Big Brother is watching you.
George Orwell

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell

All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.
George Orwell

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To: Nixpix who wrote (25022)11/28/2011 9:07:01 PM
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Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts

The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious - the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." - Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.

Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011):

FULL PDF on GAO server:
Senator Sander’s Article:

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To: roguedolphin who wrote (25031)11/28/2011 9:12:12 PM
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Like it matters when they know the FED will turn on the printing presses behind closed doors and hand them 2+ TRILLION when they get in trouble with their gambling illegal actions! Why is our country not surrounding the FED and the offices that pull this crap and shutting down their ability to conduct any business in person? Once they report to work, they should not be allowed to leave unless they want to walk out. No cars should have a spot to drive.

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To: calgarylady who wrote (25033)11/28/2011 9:14:00 PM
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And when there are concentration camps set up along the borders of the US, I hope people remember how Ron Paul commented, and was laughed at, about how the things they are doing to erode personal liberty look like a way to keep people IN and not out.

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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (25012)11/28/2011 9:21:02 PM
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Just happened. It is from tiny things like this that world wars are spawned:

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