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To: HankGoldman who wrote (187900)4/30/2012 10:14:34 PM
From: koan
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Wrong person last post-lol,

My favorite post.

Wharfy found that years go.

Ayn Rand had no soul or color in the life.

She never saw or was the litttle girl running through the grass chasing buttrflies, but I have; and I like that wolrd. Little kids laughing.

Rand's world is ugly and dark and stupid.

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To: Win Smith who wrote (187875)4/30/2012 11:16:18 PM
From: Wharf Rat
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"an alleged Catholic who holds Rand above Jesus,"

That was so four days ago. Can't run with Willard unless you can flip the flop. Lawrence O'Donnell was all over this story tonight; showed a clip of Ryan drooling over her in a speech. Damn internet has such a good memory. One quote was "I make my staff read..." Dummy.

‘You know you’ve arrived in politics when you have an urban legend about you, and this one is mine,” chuckles Representative Paul Ryan, the Budget Committee chairman, as we discuss his purported obsession with author and philosopher Ayn Rand.

Paul Krugman, the New York Times columnist, recently called Ryan “an Ayn Rand devotee” who wants to “slash benefits for the poor.” New York magazine once alleged that Ryan “requires staffers to read Atlas Shrugged,” Rand’s gospel of capitalism. President Obama has blasted the Ryan budget as Republican “social Darwinism.”

These Rand-related slams, Ryan says, are inaccurate and part of an effort on the left to paint him as a cold-hearted Objectivist. Ryan’s actual philosophy, as reported by my colleague, Brian Bolduc, couldn’t be further from the caricature. As a practicing Roman Catholic, Ryan says, his faith and moral values shape his politics as much as his belief in freedom and capitalism does ...

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.


The Atlas Society Releases Audio of Rep. Paul Ryan Speech on Ayn Rand Following criticism from Catholic leaders, Rep. Paul Ryan's support of Ayn Rand's ideas is again under media scrutiny. Some reporters have referenced a Paul Ryan speech given in 2005 at an Atlas Society event, but the full audio of that speech has not been publicly available until now. The Society is now releasing the audio in order to encourage accuracy in reporting.

    Rep. Paul Ryan, speaking at a 2005 celebration of Ayn Rand's life, sponsored by The Atlas Society.

    I always go back to... Francisco d’Anconia’s speech [in Atlas Shrugged] on money when I think about monetary policy.

    Washington, D.C. (PRWEB) April 30, 2012

    Last Thursday and Friday a flurry of news stories appeared addressing—again—the link between Rep. Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand’s ideas. The new stories and blog posts were in response to a National Review article (“Ryan Shrugged”) which seemed to characterize as “urban legend” not only the idea that Paul Ryan is an Objectivist (he’s never indicated he is), that he embraces an Objectivist epistemology (he’s never said that he does), but also that he is a devotee of Ayn Rand, and that he requires that his staff read Atlas Shrugged.

    Some reporters quoted a sentence or two (circulating for some time on the Internet) made by Ryan at a 2005 Atlas Society event celebrating Ayn Rand. This morning The Atlas Society released, on their website, the full audio of Ryan’s speech.

    Excerpts from Ryan's speech:

    -- "I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are. It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff."

    --"I always go back to... Francisco d’Anconia’s speech [in Atlas Shrugged] on money when I think about monetary policy."

    --"We have to go back to Ayn Rand. Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."

    To hear the full audio of Ryan's speech, and to read excerpts from it, click here.

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    To: koan who wrote (187904)4/30/2012 11:22:14 PM
    From: Wharf Rat
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    I knew that if i didn't jump on it, you would.

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    From: Ron4/30/2012 11:24:12 PM
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    The GOP Should be sent into the wilderness for a generation- But Crazy Still could win the elections:

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    To: Wharf Rat who wrote (187905)4/30/2012 11:27:05 PM
    From: Wharf Rat
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    Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing the matter with this, except that it ain't so.

    MARK TWAIN, Mark Twain's Notebooks

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    To: Wharf Rat who wrote (187905)5/1/2012 1:48:54 AM
    From: Win Smith
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    So I googled the dynamic duo of Ryan/Rand, the top hit is at the Atlantic and expands on the list of quotable quotes a bit.

    "I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we’re engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that’s what I tell people."

    "I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are."

    "It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well."

    "But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand."

    "And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism—that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism—you can’t find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand."

    "It’s so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand’s vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are."

    "Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."

    That from , an entertaining roundup. A normal person would probably want to lay low for a while after being caught in such a ridiculously blatant denial of things he said in public previously, but Republicans have proven themselves pretty immune to normality of late. I sure hope Willard escalates his affection for Ryan to the VP level, Ryan as running mate would almost make up for the failure of the clown-of-the-week Republican primary field to derail the much unloved Romney and provide entertainment through the fall. This whole episode ought to help with the endearment enhancement, making Mitten feel even more bonded. Too bad Romney can't adopt Walker also.

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    To: T L Comiskey who wrote (187866)5/1/2012 1:54:39 AM
    From: bentway
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    I'm proud I voted for Obama, and I'll do it again.

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    To: The-Democrat who wrote (187877)5/1/2012 2:00:13 AM
    From: bentway
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    I've seen (R)'s as the problem since Bush, a massive failure from whom they learned not one thing. I see (R)'s as the MAIN threat to America as we would have it be. That sounds hyperbolic, but all great nations rot from within before falling to external forces, and (R)'s are some SERIOUS rot!

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    To: bentway who wrote (187911)5/1/2012 6:17:31 AM
    From: T L Comiskey
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    'Its going to take a miracle to save us......"

    John Seed........Deep Ecologist


    Life in the Sea Found Its Fate in a Paroxysm of Extinction

    By ALANNA MITCHELL / NY Times April 30, 2012

    IN DANGER Corals are the most vulnerable creatures in the ocean, just as they were during the Permian extinction.

    It may never be as well known as the Cretaceous extinction, the one that killed off the dinosaurs. Yet the much earlier Permian extinction — 252 million years ago — was by far the most catastrophic of the planet’s five known paroxysms of species loss.

    HEARTBEAT About 95 percent of marine species quickly died off 252 million years ago.

    No wonder it is called the Great Dying: Scientists calculate that about 95 percent of marine species, and an uncountable but probably comparable percentage of land species, went extinct in a geological heartbeat.

    The cause or causes of the Permian extinction remain a mystery. Among the hypotheses are a devastating asteroid strike, as in the Cretaceous extinction; a catastrophic volcanic eruption; and a welling-up of oxygen-depleted water from the depths of the oceans.

    Now, painstaking analyses of fossils from the period point to a different way to think about the problem. And at the same time, they are providing startling new clues to the behavior of modern marine life and its future.

    In two recent papers, scientists from Stanford and the University of California, Santa Cruz, adopted a cellular approach to what they called the “killing mechanism”: not what might have happened to the entire planet, but what happened within the cells of the animals to finish them off.

    Their study of nearly 50,000 marine invertebrate fossils in 8,900 collections from the Permian period has allowed them to peer into the inner workings of the ancient creatures, giving them the ability to describe precisely how some died while others lived.

    “Before, scientists were all over the map,” said one of the authors, Matthew E. Clapham, an earth scientist at Santa Cruz. “We thought maybe lots of things were going on.”

    Dr. Clapham and his co-author, Jonathan L. Payne, a Stanford geochemist, concluded that animals with skeletons or shells made of calcium carbonate, or limestone, were more likely to die than those with skeletons of other substances. And animals that had few ways of protecting their internal chemistry were more apt to disappear.

    Being widely dispersed across the planet was little protection against extinction, and neither was being numerous. The deaths happened throughout the ocean. Nor was there any correlation between extinction and how a creature moved or what it ate.

    Instead, the authors concluded, the animals died from a lack of dissolved oxygen in the water, an excess of carbon dioxide, a reduced ability to make shells from calcium carbonate, altered ocean acidity and higher water temperatures. They also concluded that all these stresses happened rapidly and that each one amplified the effects of the others.

    That led to a wholesale change in the ocean’s dominant animals within just 200,000 years, or perhaps much less, Dr. Clapham said.

    Among the hardest hit were corals; many types, including the horn-shaped bottom-dwellers known as rugose corals, disappeared altogether. Sea sponges were also devastated, along with the shelled creatures that commanded the Permian reefs and sea. Every single species of the once common trilobites, with their helmetlike front shells, vanished for good.

    No major group of marine invertebrates or protists, a group of mainly one-celled microorganisms, went unscathed. Instead, gastropods like snails and bivalves like clams and scallops became the dominant creatures after the Permian. And that shift led directly to the assemblage of life in today’s oceans. “Modern marine ecology is shaped by the extinction spasms of the past,” Dr. Clapham said.

    So what happened 252 million years ago to cause those physiological stresses in marine animals? Additional clues from carbon, calcium and nitrogen isotopes of the period, as well as from organic geochemistry, suggest a “perturbation of the global carbon cycle,” the scientists’ second paper concluded — a huge infusion of carbon into the atmosphere and the ocean.

    But neither an asteroid strike nor an upwelling of oxygen-deprived deep-ocean water would explain the selective pattern of death.

    Instead, the scientists suspect that the answer lies in the biggest volcanic event of the past 500 million years — the eruptions that formed the Siberian Traps, the stairlike hilly region in northern Russia. The eruptions sent catastrophic amounts of carbon gas into the atmosphere and, ultimately, the oceans; that led to long-term ocean acidification, ocean warming and vast areas of oxygen-poor ocean water.

    The surprise to Dr. Clapham was how closely the findings from the Great Dying matched today’s trends in ocean chemistry. High concentrations of carbon-based gases in the atmosphere are leading to warming, rapid acidification and low-oxygen dead zones in the oceans.

    The idea that changes in ocean chemistry, particularly acidification, could be a factor in a mass extinction is a relatively new idea, said Andrew H. Knoll, a Harvard geologist who wrote a seminal paper in 1996 exploring the consequences of a rapid increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere on the physiology of organisms.

    “In terms of the overall pattern of change, what we’re seeing now and what is predicted in the next two centuries is riding a parallel track to what we think happened in the past,” he said.

    Dr. Clapham noted that Permian and modern similarities are not exact. The Permian ocean was easier to acidify than today’s ocean because it had less deep-water calcium carbonate, which offsets the acid. But he said that corals are the most vulnerable creatures in the modern ocean for the same reason they were during the Permian extinction. They have little ability to govern their internal chemistry and they rely on calcium carbonate to build their reefs.

    Chris Langdon, a University of Miami biologist who is a pioneer in ocean acidification research, said corals are undoubtedly in danger across the globe.

    “Corals, I think, are going to take it on the chin,” he said.

    In a recent study, Dr. Langdon examined the effects of naturally high acidification on coral reefs in Papua New Guinea. They showed drastic declines in coral cover at acidity levels likely to be present in the ocean by the end of this century, especially among branching corals that shelter fish.

    Hans Pörtner, an animal ecophysiologist at the Alfred Wegener Institute in Bremerhaven, Germany, said his work showed that a warmer ocean with less dissolved oxygen and greater acidity had an array of negative physiological effects on modern marine animals.

    The Permian extinction provides an archive of effects suggesting how modern marine creatures will fare as the carbon load in the atmosphere increases, he said.

    Like Dr. Clapham, he cautioned that the trends between the two periods were not exactly comparable. Back in the Permian, the planet had a single supercontinent, Pangea, and ocean currents were different.

    And he and Dr. Langdon noted that carbon was being injected into the atmosphere today far faster than during the Permian extinction. As Dr. Knoll put it, “Today, humans turn out to be every bit as good as volcanoes at putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.”

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    To: Sam who wrote (187901)5/1/2012 6:55:10 AM
    From: Dale Baker
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    That's not the healthcare system, it's the processed food delivery system.

    "Some 26 million Americans suffer from Type 2 diabetes, most of them adults."

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