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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (186538)4/3/2012 1:04:08 PM
From: epicure
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I was talking to my husband about this. While I am for having as few people incarcerated as possible (legalize drugs!) i do think detention facilities pose a special hazard not just to guards, but to everyone incarcerated. And that goes for whoever you think is going to be embarrassed by a strip search. Because in this case, imo, a strip search is much less problematic than death or wounding from a hidden weapon. I don't care at all about drugs being smuggled in, but weapons? Yes. I think folks who are put in cells need to be as clear of weapons as we can make them- both for self harm reasons (think of the lawsuits! Think of the tax dollars for settlements) and because of the danger prisoners pose to each other.

He was thinking about how he would feel being detained- and I gentle reminded him he would probably prefer a strip search to being in a facility with an armed and scary inmate. Because not all folks picked up on lesser charges are nice folks you'd like to spend quality time with.

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To: Dale Baker who wrote (186540)4/3/2012 1:08:15 PM
From: bentway
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" the conservative activist movement has utterly failed to produce a competent, successful national leader."


..and now, they'll just have to hold their nose and vote Romney, just as they did for McCain last time. That last time birthed the Tea Party. What will THIS defeat bring?

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (186495)4/3/2012 1:26:23 PM
From: John Vosilla
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State Attorney Norm Wolfinger released a statement on Monday saying he is “outraged by the outright lies” contained in a letter written by the attorney of Trayvon Martin’s parents, who are seeking a federal review in the case.

Martin family attorney Ben Crump said he is asking the U.S. Justice Department to review the investigation for possible interference by Wolfinger’s office on the night Martin was shot to death by Neighborhood Watch leader George Zimmerman.

Crump
sent a formal request to the Justice Department on Monday, saying, “within hours of the shooting in which Trayvon Martin was killed, Sanford Chief of Police Bill lee met with State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. We also believe that family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department. It was further revealed that State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Chief Bill Lee overruled the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Chris Serino, who recommended that George Michale Zimemrman be arrested for manslaughter for killing Trayvon Benjamin Martin.”

Wolfinger said he was “outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter…” and he, “encourages the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred.”

“I have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop and allow State Attorney Angela Corey to complete her work,” Wolfinger said. “Another falsehood distributed to the media does nothing to forward that process.”

……

Zimmerman says he killed Martin in self-defense after the teen punched him and slammed his head on the sidewalk, according to police.
Enhanced video of Zimmerman at the police station released Monday appears to show a possible wound on Zimmerman’s head.

Continue reading >>>

ironicsurrealism.com

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To: epicure who wrote (186536)4/3/2012 2:27:33 PM
From: Wharf Rat
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Maddow was all over that last night; started reading all the history courses from UCD. Only UCSF doesn't teach US history.....med/dent school. Maybe they even have a course on US public health history.
Quien sabe?

Tornado south of Dallas; saw some transformers blowing

Damn...truck trailers flying thru the sky. Looks like a storm movie in real life.

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (186537)4/3/2012 3:06:48 PM
From: peter michaelson
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I recently returned from a three week bicycle tour in Vietnam. Our guide has a business guiding US Vets to places from their memories. He gave me a digital collection of interesting photos that GI's took while there.

Have you been back? My impression is that there are no hard feelings from the Vietnamese side.

Born in 1955, I was just a couple years too young to have that combat experience, not that I would have wanted it.

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From: bentway4/3/2012 3:30:51 PM
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Citizens United Unleashed the 'Crankocrats'

TIMOTHY NOAH POINTS OUT THAT CORPORATIONS AREN'T THE ONES FUNDING SUPER PACS

By Kevin Spak, Newser Staff
newser.com
( If that's the game, we need our own boys to step up. Warren, Bill - how about a super-pac for sanity? )
Posted Apr 3, 2012 12:48 PM CDT

(NEWSER) – When the Citizens United decision came down, many people expected a corporate takeover of the political system. But that hasn't happened, Timothy Noah of The New Republic points out. Corporations wanted no part of campaign controversy. Instead, super PACs are fueled by "crankocrats," tycoons like Foster Friess, Harold Simmons, Sheldon Adelson, and Bob Perry, who almost all hold extreme conservative views—indeed, only one of the top 10 super PAC donors is a Democrat.

"It’s enough to make you nostalgic for an America in thrall to corporate power," Noah writes. "Corporations, after all, must answer to their stockholders. Super-rich crankocrats do not." Yet these oligarchs have managed to essentially replace all the functions of candidates' official primary campaigns, which they are routinely outspending. The only thing they can't really manage is fostering a grassroots movement. But "crankocrats likely wouldn't have patience for that anyway. It's too social, and you can't be much of a crank if you have to listen to other people." Click for Noah's entire column.

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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (186538)4/3/2012 3:37:29 PM
From: Suma
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The story I heard was not contraband but harassment. Strip searches are a great new legal way to do this little
pay back.

One of the demonstrator. You know who they are. Well some of them are marked from over familiarity....
and one happened to be driving with his girl friend who was speeding. She got stopped. O.K. all legal.

But the passenger her boy friend was asked to step out of the car. He had a speeding ticket still due but it had been paid and this was an error. However, until this was proven he was locked up and STRIP SEARCHED in two different jails.

Hardly for contraband was it ?

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To: John Vosilla who wrote (186547)4/3/2012 3:53:48 PM
From: Sam
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Did anyone see the wound on this "enhanced" video that the police released?

I didn't, but my eyes are pretty bad.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (186548)4/3/2012 4:03:58 PM
From: epicure
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I wonder what issues God has with Texas? :-)

Clearly He has become a liberal...

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To: epicure who wrote (186553)4/3/2012 4:20:17 PM
From: Sam
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Speaking of Texas, water issues were discussed on Diane Rehm today (much of Texas desperately needs some water; Rick Perry's prayer day just didn't do the trick last summer, I guess he should have invited Pat Robertson who, as we all know, has a direct line to the Old Man)--

Environmental Outlook: Water & Global Security

Listen to show at the link:
thedianerehmshow.org


The American intelligence community recently released a report warning that problems with water could destabilize various regions of the world over the next decade. The earth's rising population, climate change, and poor water management have put pressure on water supplies. On this month's Environmental Outlook, we look at global water security and water shortages in the U.S.


Guests

Geoff Dabelko, director of environmental change and security at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

Steve Fleischli, a senior attorney in the water program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, former President of Waterkeeper Alliance

Jessica Troell, Senior Attorney and Director of the International Water Program at the Environmental Law Institute

Major General Richard Engel, U.S. Air Force (Retired), director of the National Intelligence Council’s Environment and Natural Resources Program


Related Links

Intelligence Community Assessment: Global Water Security
Woodrow Wilson Center
Environmental Law Institute
NRDC Switchboard: Steve Fleischli
Huffington Post: Steve Fleischli


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