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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (181286)2/4/2012 2:44:08 PM
From: Win Smith of 224952
 
My favorite part of that story so far is the secret email system that was set up in Walker's county executiveoffices in Milwaukee, run out of a router variously reported as from a few to 27 feet from Walker's personal office. Which he, of course, knew nothing about.

Chisholm explains in a pair of detailed complaints that Russell and the newly indicted aides established a “secret email system available to and used by select ‘insider’ staffers for both official and unofficial business.” That system was built around a wireless router that was kept in an armoire in the office of Walker’s deputy chief of staff — just a few feet from Walker’s office. Its existence was “never disclosed to county employees outside a closely held group within the Walker administration.”

Read more: host.madison.com 

Well, maybe he knew a little- he seems to have been a bit worried



(from huffingtonpost.com  )

See, the problem is not that they were doing anything wrong, but that the story got out. It seems that a lot of the email through the secret system has conveniently vanished, though. It's all a joke. Walker has had a lot of trouble with sleazy hires, it's hard to get good help when all your buds make way more money than you do, and you work in podunk Wisconsin. But Wisconsin doesn't have much in the way of major newspapers, so there's not a lot of investigative reporting.

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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (181289)2/4/2012 2:52:51 PM
From: epicure of 224952
 
I'm saying, if she used the other name, secretly, without telling her followers about what she was doing, that is hypocritical. To whine about a system, and also take money from it, is hypocritical. I realize, she may have urged her followers to be hypocrites and exploit the system- but that really doesn't make it "better".

I see it's unclear whether or not she used medicare. If she did, she's an even bigger hypocrite.

But yeah- critics of Rand do hate her, for being a nasty piece of work. Selfishness doesn't make people happy, and it makes society suck. So of course people would try to attack her in every way they could. It's the same thing people do with other folks they hate, who are crappy people, and crappy examples. I'm not going to spend any time worry about it. Thanks for the last word. Ayn sucks- and following her makes the world suck.

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To: epicure who wrote (181292)2/4/2012 3:18:35 PM
From: Dale Baker of 224952
 
Zealots who betray their own preachings in practice are the worst. Everyone else in the universe is supposed to do what they say - which is ridiculously arrogant to begin with - and not what they do, which is just batshit hypocrisy.

But don't point that out to the acolytes, heaven forbid, their whole philosophical universe would come undone then.

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (181042)2/4/2012 3:52:08 PM
From: John Vosilla of 224952
 
Bill Maher had a guest on this week talking about Apple, the slave wages paid to assemble iphones in China and the net result of Apple's current position at the top. Maher inferred that Jobs, who was thought of as the hippy, humanitarian of the people years ago and Gates , once thought of as the tough shrewed businessman are being looked at quite differently of late.. Guess Jobs being fired during the heights of Reaganomics got him to reassess his priorities and fit into the culture of starving the beast, maximizing profits and shareholder value first and foremost.. To top it all of it is horrible to see young people spend all their money to get the latest overpriced Apple product these days..

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To: John Vosilla who wrote (181294)2/4/2012 4:13:26 PM
From: Cogito of 224952
 
Jobs was always concerned about profits. He was a hippy in many ways, too, but that didn't stop him from being a hard-headed businessman. Originally, Wozniak wanted to give the plans for the Apple I away. It was Jobs who insisted that they build finished boards and sell them.

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From: Celtictrader2/4/2012 4:17:28 PM
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Russia and China veto UN resolution on Syria

Russia and China braved Arab and Western fury tonight by vetoing a UN resolution calling on President Bashar al-Assad to step down.

By Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent, Cairo

5:03PM GMT 04 Feb 2012


The two powers' refusal to back an Arab League plan for Syria came despite the vote coming within hours of the worst single act of violence in the 11-month uprising.


Days of tortuous negotiations led to a final act of brinkmanship as Russia said it could not support a resolution backing an Arab League plan for a swift transition of power and elections. It was said to have demanded a last-minute change dropping a call, already agreed by Syria in November, for tanks and artillery to be withdrawn from the streets.


That was rejected outright by Western governments after residents of Homs reported an extraordinary bombardment overnight by mortars and heavy artillery, shattering houses and sending the injured and dying flooding to hospitals and makeshift clinics. At least 200 were killed, with some activists giving figures as high as 330.

"This is a new massacre to add to the other Assad regime massacres," a lawyer and activist in the city who gave his name as Abu Jihad told The Sunday Telegraph. "We ask for international intervention to stop this."

World leaders united to condemn the attack. "Yesterday the Syrian government murdered hundreds of Syrian citizens, including women and children, in Homs," President Barack Obama said in a written statement.

"Assad must halt his campaign of killing and crimes against his own people now. He must step aside and allow a democratic transition to proceed immediately."

William Hague, the foreign secretary, said: "The Syrian regime's actions display President Assad's cold-blooded cynicism in the face of mounting international pressure for the UN security council to do its utmost to end the bloodshed.

“The escalating violence underlines the critical importance of the security council adding its weight to the Arab League's efforts to end the crisis in Syria."

The assault began without warning at 10pm on Friday evening, activists in the city and in London said, and lasted five hours. Rami Abdulrahman, of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said his contacts had counted 237 dead, including 99 women and children.

Activists speaking by phone from inside the figure said the number was even higher, but even the lower figure would make the assault the bloodiest single atrocity of the uprising.

The government claimed film footage showing the victims was a set-up using the bodies of people kidnapped and killed by “armed gangs”, and said it was a deliberate attempt to build up hostility towards the regime in advance of the UN resolution.

Within hours of the bombardment starting, pictures flooded Youtube and television stations of bodies piling up in chaotic aid stations, disfigured by explosions. Lines of lifeless young men splattered with blood packed the rooms of a mosque in one particularly gruelling clip, though it could not be confirmed they were victims of the attack.

Another clip showed a teenage boy, his face covered by his jacket.

"We were sitting inside our house when we started hearing the shelling. We felt shells were falling on our heads," a resident called Walid told Reuters. "The morning has come and we have discovered more bodies, bodies are on the streets. Some are still under the rubble."

Mr Abdulrahman said the attack was unaccountable, because there had been less conflict than usual in the city during the day, usually a day of intense protest after Friday prayers.

But he said the regime's attention had turned to Homs after a troop of soldiers had been ambushed with several deaths by Free Syrian Army fighters in Deraa, in Syria's far south.

"Two hours later they started the first bombing in Homs," he said.

Of those who died, most were from Khalidiya, a suburb that has been under effective rebel control. "Abu Jihad", who lives in Khalidiya, spoke as mass funerals began in the street behind him, divided into batches of 25 and 50, he said, to minimise the chance of troops attacking the funeral processions.

A crowd 100,000 strong had gathered in the central square of Khalidiya, renamed Hurreya or Freedom Square, and were chanting against the regime, he said.

"They fired mortars at us, just to punish us," he said. "The attack targeted civilian areas and civilian people, because Khalidiya is a symbol of the revolution in Homs."

Homs has suffered by far the most casualties of any province of the uprising. The Free Syrian Army has been patrolling some streets openly, and fighting cat-and-mouse battles with the regular army.

Mohammed Saleh, who lives outside the city but has relatives inside, said that following the bombardment there were skirmishes a mile away on the road to Hama, with soldiers firing wildly in all directions and causing more civilian casualties. The fighting centred on a base of the Mukhabarat, or General Intelligence Department.

At the United Nations, Britain, the United States and France determined to go ahead with the security council vote, believing that after constant negotiations and amendments the Russians were merely playing for time.

They rejected amendments tabled by Russia that it said would enable it to support the current draft. The amendments sought to put equal blame on the "armed elements" of the opposition for the violence in Syria.

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, who had been highly critical of Western attempts to force through a resolution but had stopped short of saying he would veto it, discussed the issue with US secretary of state Hillary Clinton in Munich. He was said to have submitted the additional amendment dropping the demand for tanks and artillery to be withdrawn, part of the first Arab League peace plan agreed with Syria in November, only on Friday night.

"Our amendments do not demand any extreme efforts," he said. "If our colleagues display a constructive approach, we will get a collective Security Council resolution that I am certain all countries without exception will sign on to."

He said Russia could not support any resolution that "took sides" in a civil war.

Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the United Nations, said the amendments were "unacceptable".

The draft has already been watered down from the original, which repeated almost verbatim an Arab League timetable for Mr Assad to cede powers to his deputy, oversee the formation of a unity government with the opposition, and hold elections within six months.

The subsequent version said Syria should move "in accordance with" the Arab League plan, but Russia wanted this further altered to merely "take into account" the plan.

Anger over events in Syria spilled over into European and Arab capitals, with several Syrian embassies being stormed including in London and Berlin. The embassy in Kuwait had its windows smashed, while a mob entered the ground floor of the embassy in Cairo and set fire to it.
telegraph.co.uk 

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To: epicure who wrote (181292)2/4/2012 4:20:13 PM
From: Win Smith of 224952
 
I am of course no fan of Rand, but I have to put in a word for Steve. He gets dumped on here for Rand and Ron Paul, then he goes over to Paul Smith's thread and gets dumped on for being an ultra-liberal. They hate Ron Paul there, too.

Steve mostly advocates this Austrian School Economics thing. Which I understand to be pretty conservative, but conservative in the old pre-Reagan fiscal conservative sense, not the current voodoo economics sense. Which is, in turn, no sense at all, but that's another story.

I wouldn't make that much of Rand taking Social Security, lots of people fall into the do as I say, not as I do class some time or other. I'm a little confused as to if she actually needed it, she presumably had a pretty good income from royalties, but philosophical consistency isn't a legal requirement. The name thing seems no big deal, it was apparently her married name.

The main problem with Rand is that way too many people take her seriously. This little blurb from wikipedia seems a good counterpoint:

On the 100th anniversary of Rand's birth in 2005, Edward Rothstein, writing for The New York Times, referred to her fictional writing as quaint utopian "retro fantasy" and programmatic neo-Romanticism of the misunderstood artist, while criticizing her characters' "isolated rejection of democratic society". [138] In 2007, book critic Leslie Clark described her fiction as "romance novels with a patina of pseudo-philosophy". [139] In 2009, GQ's critic columnist Tom Carson described her books as "capitalism's version of middlebrow religious novels" such as Ben-Hur and the Left Behind series. [140]


Rand's acolytes have their own problems with philosophical consistency, of course. Once more from wiki:

Despite Rand's untraditionally Republican stance as a pro-choice atheist, [161] the political figures who cite Rand as an influence are most often conservative or libertarian members of the United States Republican Party. [162] A 1987 article in The New York Times referred to her as the Reagan administration's "novelist laureate". [163] Republican Congressmen and conservative pundits have acknowledged her influence on their lives and recommended her novels. [164]


Which leads us to the alleged leading intellectual light of the current Congress, or the Republican House, anyway, local guy Paul Ryan.


One conservative making that point was Ryan. His citation of Rand was not casual. He’s a Rand nut. In the days before his star turn as America’s Accountant, Ryan once appeared at a gathering to honor her philosophy, where he announced, “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.” He continues to view Rand as a lodestar, requiring his staffers to digest her creepy tracts. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/10/war-on-the-weak.html

Don't quite know how Ryan reconciles the pro-choice atheism of Rand with his own Roman Catholicism, but I do know that he requires his staff to read Rand, and not scripture. Catholics were never that into scripture, but I don't think the mother church is in any danger of endorsing Rand any time soon. Meanwhile, near as I can tell, all the Republican presidential field is on board with Ryan's budget plan, including the privatization of Medicare, though that last part seems to be one of Willlard's "quietly in private rooms" things.

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To: Cogito who wrote (181295)2/4/2012 4:33:43 PM
From: Win Smith of 224952
 
When Jobs came back to Apple after his exile, the company was basically failing, so you can't fault him on that. Sort of like our parents and the depression. On the other hand, there's this:

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." news.cnet.com 

I'm not quite sure how Jobs reconciled this with previous utterance such as |"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." and "Good artists copy; great artists steal" , but that's another one of those philosophical consistency things. And Android may have been heavily influence by the iPhone, but it wasn't stolen in any conventional sense of the word. Don't get me started on software patents, though. Anyway, I hope he didn't actually spend his last dying breath on it, that would be truly sad.

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From: Dale Baker2/4/2012 5:18:09 PM
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Both RCP and NYT show Ron Paul as only having 3 delegates to show for his efforts in the first four contests, thanks to the winner take all policies in a couple of them. Since he lacks the resources to compete in big states with lots of delegates, could be he ends up with another telephone booth full of supporters at the convention and becomes a non-factor.

Hard to see where he breaks through big in the coming calendar.

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To: Win Smith who wrote (181298)2/4/2012 5:19:48 PM
From: Cogito of 224952
 
I think Jobs felt personally and professionally betrayed by Eric Schmidt, who sat on Apple's board saying nothing while iPhone plans were discussed for quite some time. Only after Google went public with its Android plans did Schmidt begin recusing himself from talking about iPhone issues.

But I agree with you that having that revenge mentality isn't a good thing. It's far more damaging to harbor a resentment than it is to be its object. Talking about spending the company's entire pile of cash in the effort to destroy Android was irresponsible. OK, maybe he was just blowing off steam at that moment. But it would have been irresponsible to do it.

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