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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (100395)1/11/2009 7:19:10 PM
From: Katelew of 224871
 
I'm open to restructuring the UN to the realities of today and would read any proposals with an open mind. But the idea proposed was to have the voting weighted by the population of a country, and this doesn't resonate with me. China and India together could/would control the vote.

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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (100358)1/11/2009 7:39:42 PM
From: Neal Guttenberg of 224871
 
Mary,

To me, the fact that 3 of the religions in the world hold that part of the world holy makes it more of a reason that we have unrest in the area. I believe more battles have been fought in the name of religion in that area than anything else. Religious differences would seem to trump civility many times over. That is part of what makes this country different.

I still don't understand your reasoning why the P/I issue is worse or deserves more attention than what is going on in other parts of Africa where there has been more deaths of innocents going on for longer periods of time. My feeling is that there is a great deal of pr that goes into this. The arab countries have continued to try to keep the palestinians on the edge of disaster so that they can exploit their plight to use as a club against Israel. I don't think there is an area of the world where that many refugees have been kept as refugees for 3 or 4 generations.

Neal

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (100359)1/11/2009 7:45:23 PM
From: Neal Guttenberg of 224871
 
Chinu,

<<Poor Darfurians.>>

Isn't that the truth. No good, prolonged, concerted public relations firm to keep their plight on the front pages of the newspapers in the west. No daily civilian death tolls.

Neal

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To: Neal Guttenberg who wrote (100399)1/11/2009 9:31:29 PM
From: Mary Cluney of 224871
 
<<<I still don't understand your reasoning why the P/I issue is worse or deserves more attention than what is going on in other parts of Africa where there has been more deaths of innocents going on for longer periods of time.>>>

I hope Obama will exert leadership and organize the world community to impose a solution in Africa.

The P/I issue is much more complicated. The Pope has said the refugees are living in what amounts to a concentration camp. It is very difficult for me to see any rationale for Israeli's to be killing so many innocent Palestinians - no matter the justification. There is no justification.

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From: JohnM1/11/2009 9:35:35 PM
of 224871
 
Joe Klein likes what he sees in Obama.
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 at 10:54 am
Obama on This Week
Posted by Joe Klein

I thought Barack Obama gave a strong, confident performance on This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning--especially when you remember how halting and cautious he could be in these interview settings during the campaign. The guy has grown. So far as I could tell, there was nothing "eye-popping" in the interview, to use his phrase (in reference to the secrets he'd learned in his intelligence briefings). He stuck to positions that he maintained throughout the campaign, even when it came to examples of programs he would cut--like the subsidy to private insurers who take on medicare patients.

Beyond that, the striking thing about the interview was this: he closed no doors. He didn't even say that he wouldn't fund the museum of organized crime in Las Vegas--although he did make it clear that there would be other, higher priorities. Another door he didn't close: prosecuting the Bush Administration for the cornucopia of misdeeds that occurred over the past eight years--although, again, he made it clear that he would be focused on the future and such prosecutions would be highly unlikely. He remained vague on the Middle East--a sure sign, I believe, that his policy would be different from Bush's, putting greater pressure on Israel to move toward a Gaza cease fire. But we'll see. Only nine more days to wait now.

By the way: You've got to wonder what planet Jennifer Rubin is living on. These terrible troubles that she describes as buffeting Obama seem pretty small potatoes to me. This is irresponsible press strategy 101: Anytime anyone raises an objection--Dianne Feinstein on Leon Panetta's CIA appointment--it is described as a "crisis". (Some crisis: Feinstein was supporting Panetta within 24 hours.) Rubin is a right-wing propagandist, so she has a stake in Obama's failure, but I've seen plenty of similar behavior among more mainstream journalists desperate to gin up a story. Remember when the Blagojevich scandal was the first "crisis" of his transition? For those of us who lived through Bill Clinton's truly disastrous transition, Obama's has been remarkably well run. (I suspect that Bill Richardson's perfidy during the vetting process won't even be a footnote in history.)

There will be crises ahead, real ones. Obama will screw up from time to time; no doubt, he'll screw up big time on something or other. I can't think of a President who didn't. (This in contrast to George W. Bush who screwed up big time on practically everything.) But he hasn't made any telling mistakes yet. Indeed, Obama's palliative response to the mild skepticism of a few legislators this week regarding the stimulus package seems an excellent indicator that he knows how the sausage-making will work. A fearless prediction: Obama will get his massive stimulus through Congress within a month or so. Another fearless prediction: The Pajamas Media brigades, led by Ms. Rubin, will locate an Obama crisis every three days in perpetuity. One hopes that cooler media heads will prevail. Given the enormous problems facing the country, it's time for people on my side of the notepad to focus on the steak, not the sizzle.

David Broder, who should know better, sounds positively Rubinesque in this column. A shame.

swampland.blogs.time.com 

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To: Katelew who wrote (100398)1/11/2009 9:36:13 PM
From: Mary Cluney of 224871
 
<<<I'm open to restructuring the UN to the realities of today and would read any proposals with an open mind.>>>

I think the UN will be more effective because Bush and the RW ideologues are going away and Obama, Susan Rice, and Hillary will be a great improvement just by their presence.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (100284)1/11/2009 10:02:35 PM
From: slacker711 of 224871
 
I earlier stated that I thought that the 2nd half of the TARP might have a tough time. It turns out I was completely wrong about the mechanics of the approval of the 2nd tranche.

news.yahoo.com 

A request would force a vote within days on whether to block the funding, but the deck is stacked in favor of Bush and Obama winning release of the remaining $350 billion. Congress can pass a resolution disapproving the request, but the White House could veto the resolution; then, just one-third of either chamber would be needed to uphold the veto and win release of the money. Senate leaders would prefer to win a majority vote, Dodd said.

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To: JohnM who wrote (100402)1/11/2009 10:17:20 PM
From: Dale Baker of 224871
 
Nice to see someone hasn't succumbed to the terminal handwringing syndrome before even mounts the Capitol steps. This is just the opening credits of a full feature-length movie, maybe a double feature.

Pull up a chair and get comfy, the show is about to begin.

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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (100401)1/11/2009 10:40:33 PM
From: Neal Guttenberg of 224871
 
Mary,

<<The P/I issue is much more complicated.>>

I agree wholeheartedly.

<<The Pope has said the refugees are living in what amounts to a concentration camp.>>

Besides the point that the Pope may or may not be right about this, the key to opening the camp, or whatever you choose to call it, can start with a couple of words changed in the Hamas charter. Nothing that should be that difficult for reasonable people.

<<It is very difficult for me to see any rationale for Israeli's to be killing so many innocent Palestinians - no matter the justification. There is no justification. >>

Rather than argue about the number of angels can fit on the point of a needle, I will just refer back to your first statement and leave it at that. Things in the ME are very complicated.

Let me ask another question. If a lasting peace somehow comes out of what is going on right now in some way, shape or form, will it have been worth it or do you still feel the price is too high?

Neal

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To: JohnM who wrote (100402)1/11/2009 10:50:20 PM
From: Neal Guttenberg of 224871
 
John,

Thanks for posting the Joe Klein piece. I agree with everything that he says in his column.

I think the thing that gives me the most hope, though, is Obama talking about shared sacrifice. I don't believe I heard him say that during the campaign and was worried about him promising too much to too many people. Now that he has been elected and can say this without costing him the election, I hope he means it. It is something that will be needed to bring the country back together.

Neal

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