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From: xcentral15/18/2007 8:13:22 AM
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When I spoke to Turek II last month, he was refreshingly candid about all of the "difficult situations" PLNI had survived to date - not the least of which was both the Bluelinx fiasco and the nasty Apex "rip-off".

After all of that - why Turek Senior would simply allow a "Sheriff's Sale " to liquidate all of the hard work accomplished .. w/only < $mil. owed.. would be ludicrous and beyond counter atypical for his fundamental personality.


Turek wants to win.
And if he has to throw a block via Chapt.11 to do that - so be it!

It's an available strategy - not the end of the world.

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To: xcentral1 who wrote (7910)5/18/2007 8:40:41 AM
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Here ya go - Share Exchange offer:

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From: therealfynley5/18/2007 10:12:55 AM
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Hey EXO/EvilStar-Will we still "Lose All". Where's your crystal ball now. Maybe you should buy a new one with the money you got yesterday selling your PLNI shares. Or did you sell out yesterday like you advocated everyone else should do?

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From: John725/18/2007 4:58:49 PM
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Hi ya'll..in layman's words..any explanations as to what's good in all this..

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From: BradMatt5/18/2007 5:22:41 PM
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Question: How do I get my shares to First American Stock Transfer??

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To: therealfynley who wrote (7912)5/19/2007 10:48:13 AM
From: Star the Wonder Pup   of 8122
 
Yes, you will lose it all. You understand that par value is a meaningless number, don't you?

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From: therealfynley5/20/2007 1:18:24 PM
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That's right Exo/Evil Star. I'll have to work that out with my tax man. Sometimes a capital loss can be useful to balance out the other gains in my portfolio. I rather would have made money but unlike you and the other who bet rent money and are now embittered it's just part of my overall investment situation, not the end of my life. Keep up the good work.

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To: xcentral1 who wrote (7910)5/21/2007 8:58:42 PM
From: LanceJ   of 8122
 
As a major shareholder in PLNI that has held for about 3 years now, I would be lying if I said some of this recent news regarding the chapter 11 bankruptcy filing was not a surprise.

Nevertheless, I have always said that PLNI is a long term play with a hold of perhaps as much as 5 years. I think what most people don’t understand is the mentality of us long term investors. Analyzing the investing strategy of investors like Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, and George Soros a common theme emerges: buy a stock that nobody wants when nobody wants it, and sell the stock that everybody wants when everybody wants it.

I can't count the times when I hear rookie investors say, “If only I would have bought Wal-Mart in the 80’s”, or “If only I would have bought Microsoft 20 years ago”, but what they fail to grasp is exactly what the company was like when it was selling so cheaply. They take the company they see now, in the present, and superimpose it on the past. Of course this is logically incorrect. A company that is cheap, is cheap for a reason. If that compelling reason did not exist that made it “cheap” in the first place, it would, by necessity, cease to be cheap. Wal-Mart, in the early 80’s, had some serious financial problems and with a whole 4 stores open, it was hardly a compelling investment at that time.

The secret to massive profits in penny stocks is to buy a stock that nobody wants when nobody wants it, and sell it when everybody wants it. In fact, Warren Buffet took this truth to the extreme by actually buying companies that were in chapter 11 bankruptcy and taking his own money and experience in helping to turn the company around and then selling out when everybody else was just starting to buy it.

Much of the debate concerning PLNI as an investment comes from investors who are attempting to make quick profits in penny stocks. Going for quick profits in penny stocks is like trying to cross a desert without any shoes on. You are only going to get so far before you realize you can’t go any further. Traders who try and play penny stocks for quick profits of 1 – 3 week hold times will eventually go broke, just like traders who chase penny stocks higher. But a trader has to learn these lessons for himself, anyone trying to explain this to him before he actually looses his wad is likely to be attacked. As they say, “Hope Springs Eternal”, and so an evolving crowd of amateur traders who try and play penny stocks short term will always be there. This is precisely the crowd that will attack your bullish long term stance on a stock like PLNI in public message forums. These are precisely the traders who will, in a rush to judgment, proclaim “Game Over for Long-term PLNI Shareholders”. But in reality, the chapter 11 filing actually helps keep Plasticon in the game.

PLNI going into chapter 11 bankruptcy is a great thing with the sort of financial problems they apparently have. As long term shareholders, we do not want to see Plasticon loose the ProMold facility. This clearly would have happened had Plasticon not filed for chapter 11 protection.

Does this mean that our hopes of making obscene profits in PLNI are completely destroyed? Not at all. Remember, we buy a stock when no one wants it (aka too afraid to buy it for fear of loosing money), with the goal of selling it when it comes back into favor and everybody wants it. This cycle from out of favor to in favor can take years to complete itself. While we need to follow the restructuring closely, we still have a probability of making great profits in PLNI. Granted, this new bit of information over the last week has reduced that probability some, nevertheless, that probability still exists and is one I’m willing to gamble on because I have balls of steel.

There was a post asking about First American Stock Transfer. Call Plasticon’s Investor Relations to get the mailing address now if you’d like (706 E. Road, Suite 202, Phoenix AZ, 85022), but wait! Don’t rush too quickly. We want to view the terms and conditions of the convertible preferred stock. Notice the “convertible” in front of “preferred stock”. This is very important. It leaves the possibility open that after we convert from common shares into preferred stock, we will be given the option in the future to convert back into common shares when/if PLNI trades its common shares under a new ticker symbol presumably after a plan is approved by the bankruptcy court. In fact, I have a colleague who is buying more shares of PLNI right now, in order to benefit from the $1 par value conversion to convertible preferred shares, with the idea that PLNI will probably give an option to convert the shares back into common shares at a future point in time. While I find this strategy a bit too risky for my taste, I share it only to expose some of you to what other traders are considering.

It is still too early for an investor to set in stone that he is going to have his common shares converted into convertible preferred shares until we know more about the terms and conditions of these convertible preferred shares as it becomes available and is posted on Plasticon’s website.

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From: therealfynley5/22/2007 10:35:28 AM
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I'm going to go on record now that I don't intend to participate in the "exchange" program. If Turek is on the level about saving this company then it will be apparent by July based on whatever actions he takes to do so. Most of us have been sitting around for more than a year waiting for result and this just puts us in a position where we have to sit around for 2 more years and maybe end up with nothing. Everyone has a different tax situation to consider but in my case I may very well find PLNI useful in 2007 as a capital loss based on gains I've made in other investments. Each person has to make whatever decision benefits them most. That said, I don't see any advantage in selling now or before July but I don't see any reason to accept the preferred shares and wait 2 years

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To: therealfynley who wrote (7918)5/22/2007 2:34:51 PM
From: LanceJ   of 8122
 
I agree. It really does make one ponder about Mr. Turek being "on the level". I think that's one of the problems this company now faces is one of "trust". Granted I've never seen a company that has disclosed in advance the problems they are having with finances (unless compelled to by the threat of force from the SEC), it would have been nice to have been given a "heads up" in the "voluntary" financial filings PLNI has made over the last year.

It also speaks to trust of brokerage firms. TDWaterhouse (now TDAmeritrade) stopped clients from being able to buy more PLNI in May of 2006, a month after PLNI went deliquent on its first payment. When I drilled TD about why, they only cited the pinksheets paragraph and the temporary removal of PLNI's web quote. I specifically asked to speak to the person in research about this, as I accurately predicted that pinksheets.com would remove this paragraph and continue their web quotation of PLNI within the next few weeks. I was told that as a client of TD, I could not speak to this person. It is clear to me now what took place. All financial sector companies work together (see Illumaniti). In this case, TD is also a bank. They clearly knew of the default of payment from another one of their buddies in the banking sector. It would have been nice for TD to just tell me the truth about this rather than use the flimsy reason that pinksheets.com has temporarily removed their web quote of this stock.

Another mis-trust issue is one with TheWallStreetReporter and other advertising agencies (Greenbaron, etc.) PLNI paid to run stories on a few months ago. Obviously PLNI was in trouble, and wanted to sell shares to pay late fees and a deliquent loan payment. With the stock dropping, PLNI was unable to use this source of financing, so instead they hired a few stock "hype" agencies to try and push the stock up so they could sell and then use that money gained to make past due payments on their loan (the SEC will probably look at this regarding anti "pump and dump" laws on their books). Fortunately I was in the stock long before any of this happened and so it means little to me. But the poor investors who bought within the last 3 - 4 months on the "hype" PLNI was generating in order to get their stock to rise got screwed and should well be mad. Remember when the stock rose to $0.0005 a couple of months ago only to fall very quickly on heavy sell side volume? Now we can speculate that this was PLNI selling shares after hyping it up from $0.0002 to $0.0005.

So I think we have trust abuse issues at multiple levels here. Whether those trust abuse issues rise to the level of legal action by the SEC remains to be seen. I, along with many others, enformed the SEC about PLNI back on February 1st, 2006, when they failed to disclose their financials as they said they would do 2 years before that (we just grew tired of the delays and so we informed the SEC as to what was taking place), so I personally have no doubt that the SEC is very well aware of PLNI and what has taken place and will do something if PLNI is guilty of breaking the law. Again, I don't they are guilty of breaking a specific law, I think it's more the dark nature of public companies traded on the pinksheets. This does not mean that I give PLNI a green light on what they have done, in fact, my own trust towards PLNI has lowered some. They are going to need to earn that trust back, and a favorable convertible preferred shares exchange before they slaughter their common shares would do that.

So with these sort of trust issues going on, I understand completely the logic that "If Turek is on the level xxxxxx". The problem I have with not doing the exchange is that I would then have to trust PLNI to not make the common shares completely worthless (and there close to that now) and have them loose their total value. If you check with the SEC about chapter 11 restructuring, this is completely legal for PLNI to terminate the ticker symbol PLNI and all those outstanding shares, making it worthless, and then trading under a new ticker symbol with far less outstanding shares (reduced dilution and liability to shareholders). The bankruptcy court may deem that as a perfectly acceptable solution in reorganization of the company.

My gut tells me that Mr. Turek is giving long term shareholders like myself (which includes some company insiders as well as some creditors) a warning that he plans to thrash the ticker PLNI in the reorganization phase of this chapter 11 bankruptcy.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who would argue with someone who wants to dump their near worthless shares on the open market and use the loss as a capital gains rightoff, and just walk away from this stock.

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