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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (7323)6/12/2006 3:35:39 PM
From: Proud_Infidel   of 9838
 
We Muslims Have Work To Do
Toronto Sun ^ | 6/12/2006 | Salim Mansur

Muslim Canadians, as Muslims elsewhere in Western societies, have felt increasingly besieged for some time now, both from outside their community and from within.

This sense of isolation, of being misrepresented and misunderstood, will inevitably deepen as the full story unfolds of the arrests of 17 Toronto-area Muslims on terrorism charges.

But whose fault is this? Let us, Muslims, be brutally honest.

We have inherited a culture of denial, of too often refusing to acknowledge our own responsibility for the widespread malaise that has left most of the Arab-Muslim countries in economic, political and social disrepair.

Statistics and intergovernmental reports over the past several decades have documented a gap, perhaps now unbridgeable, between Muslim countries and the advanced industrial democracies in the West.

In a recent "failed states index" published in the journal Foreign Policy (May/June 2006), Pakistan, for instance, is ranked among the top 10 failed states in the world -- ahead of Afghanistan. Pakistan is a Muslim country, a nuclear military power, but it can barely feed, clothe, educate and shelter its population.

The reports on the Arab countries are a dismal catalogue of entrenched tyrannies, failing economies, squandered wealth, gender oppression, persecution of minorities and endemic violence. The cleric-led regime in Iran seeks nuclear weapons and threatens to obliterate Israel, repress domestic opposition, and seek confrontation with the West.

Instead of acknowledging the reality of the Arab-Muslim world as a broken civilization, we Muslims tend to indulge instead in blaming others for our ills; deflecting our responsibilities for failures that have become breeding grounds of violence and terrorism.

Many of our intellectuals in public life and our religious leaders in mosques remain adept in double-speak, saying contrary things in English or French and then in Arabic or Farsi or Urdu.

We have made hypocrisy an art, and have spun for ourselves a web of lies that blinds us to the real world around us.

We seethe with grievances and resentment against the West, even as we have prospered in the freedom and security of Western democracies.

We have inculcated into our children false pride, and given them a sense of history that crumbles under critical scrutiny. We have burdened them with conflicting loyalties -- and now some of them have become our nightmare.

We preach tolerance yet we are intolerant. We demand inclusion, yet we practise exclusion of gender, of minorities, of those with whom we disagree.

We repeat endlessly that Islam is a religion of peace, yet too many of us display conduct contrary to what we profess.

We keep assuring ourselves and others that Muslims who violate Islam are a minuscule minority, yet we fail to hold this minority accountable in public.

A bowl of milk turns into curd with a single drop of lemon. The minuscule minority we blame is this drop of lemon that has curdled and made a shambles of our Islam, yet too many of us insist against all evidence our belief somehow sets us apart as better from others.

In Islam, we insist, religion and politics are inseparable. As a result, politics dominates our religion -- and our religion has become a cover for tribalism and nationalism.

We regularly quote from the Koran, but do not make repentance for our failings as the Koran instructs, by seeking forgiveness of those who we have harmed.

We Muslims are the source of our own misery, and we are not misunderstood by others who see in our conduct a threat to their peace.

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To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (7319)6/13/2006 12:07:51 AM
From: American Spirit   of 9838
 
Rove is guilty of outing a WMD CIA agent during war-time and lying about it. That is treason.

Rove is guilty of organizing enormous election fraud in the last two elections. He is guilty of fabricating evidence in order to frame opponents. He is guilty of some of the most outrageous and un-American smear campaigns in US political history. He is guilty of subverting our democracy. He is also, reportedly a secretly married gay man, but that is neither here nor there. What's important is that Rove is a political criminal who has gravely wounded our democracy which we supposedly fight wars to defend. Or is it Exxon and Enron for which we fight?

Anyway, your joking about Rove as if his cheating is some myth is really disgusting. How would you like your vote never to be counted? Or your ethnic group to be targeted so as to minimize the amount of your people who can vote? Or how would you like to be smeared by some A-holes claiming you are the opposite of everything you have stood for all your life?
You wouldn't. So don't cheer creeps who do this kind of thing. They are enemies of the USA. Rove is a crook. And he richly deserves to be put in prison, something which may be happening soon.

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To: TopCat who wrote (7311)6/13/2006 12:09:53 AM
From: American Spirit   of 9838
 
O'Reilly's biggest lie was while pimping for the Iraq invasion before we went in, he promised his audience not to worry, if Bush were lying about the WMD or if WMD were never found, he would personally hold Bush responsible and accountable.

Well, guess he forgot about that pledge. But you can understand, his boss is an avid Bush supporter, so he can't really criticize Bush. He pretends to once in awhile, but calls anyone who opposes Bush "nuts" or a "far left lunatic bomb-thrower".

The real lunatics are anyone who believes O'Reilly's ridioculous and hypocritical "no spin" claim. He spins all the time, and lies quite a bit too. He also tries to pretend he's an expert on everything, but he makes all kinds of factual errors. On purpose mostly.

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To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (7319)6/13/2006 12:13:02 AM
From: American Spirit   of 9838
 
Rove's indictment may have been sealed last month. The website which first reporting the indictment is standing by their story.
alternet.org 

We'll soon find out. Nobody will deserve prison more. Except maybe Tom Delay and Dick Cheney.

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To: American Spirit who wrote (7330)6/13/2006 7:42:08 AM
From: Glenn Petersen   of 9838
 
Now, what were you saying about a sealed indictment?

June 13, 2006

Rove Won't Be Charged in C.I.A. Leak Case

By DAVID JOHNSTON

WASHINGTON, June 13 — The prosecutor in the C.I.A. leak case on Monday advised Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, effectively ending the nearly three-year criminal investigation that had at times focused intensely on Mr. Rove.

The decision by the prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, announced in a letter to Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, lifted a pall that had hung over Mr. Rove who testified on five occasions to a federal grand jury about his involvement in the disclosure of an intelligence officer's identity.

In a statement, Mr. Luskin said, "On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove."

Mr. Fitzgerald's spokesman, Randall Samborn, said he would not comment on Mr. Rove's status.

For months Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation appeared to threaten Mr. Rove's standing as Mr. Bush's closest political adviser as the prosecutor riveted his focus on whether Mr. Rove tried to intentionally conceal a conversation he had with a Time magazine reporter in the week before the name of intelligence officer, Valerie Plame Wilson, became public.

The decision not to pursue any charges removes a potential political stumbling block for a White House that is heading into a long and difficult election season for Republicans in Congress.

Mr. Fitzgerald's decision should help the White House in what has been an unsuccessful effort to put the leak case behind it. Still ahead, however, is the trial of Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., on charges for perjury and obstruction of justice, and the prospect that Mr. Cheney could be called to testify in that case.

In his statement Mr. Luskin said he would not address other legal questions surrounding Mr. Fitzgerald's decision. He added, "In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation. We believe that the Special Counsel's decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove's conduct."

But it was evident that Mr. Fitzgerald's decision followed an exhaustive inquiry into Mr. Rove's activities that had brought the political strategist dangerously close to possible charges. In October, when Mr. Libby was indicted, people close to Mr. Rove had suggested that his involvement in the case would soon be over; speculation about Mr. Rove's legal situation flared again in April when he made his fifth appearance before the grand jury.

A series of meetings between Mr. Luskin and Mr. Fitzgerald and his team proved pivotal in dissuading the prosecutor from bringing charges. On one occasion Mr. Luskin himself became a witness in the case, giving sworn testimony that was beneficial to Mr. Rove.

As the case stands now, Mr. Fitzgerald has brought only one indictment against Mr. Libby. The prosecutor accused Mr. Libby of telling the grand jury that he learned of Ms. Wilson from reporters, when in reality, the prosecutor said he was told about her by Mr. Cheney and others in the government. Mr. Libby has pleaded not guilty in the case, which is scheduled to begin trial early next year.

Ms. Wilson is married to Joseph C. Wilson IV, the former ambassador who wrote in an Op-Ed column in the New York Times on July 6, 2003 that White House officials, including Mr. Bush, had exaggerated assertions that Iraq had sought to purchase nuclear fuel from Africa. Mr. Wilson wrote that such claims were "highly dubious."

He said his conclusions were based on a trip he had made in early 2002 to Niger, a fact-finding mission that he said had been "instigated" by Mr. Cheney's office.

It is now known that the column upset Mr. Cheney and that within his office it was viewed as an attack on the Vice President's credibility, according to legal briefs filed in the Libby case by Mr. Fitzgerald. In his filings, Mr. Fitzgerald depicts Mr. Cheney as actively engaged in an effort with Mr. Libby to rebut Mr. Wilson's assertions.

After the Wilson column was published, Mr. Cheney wrote notes on a copy asking whether Ms. Wilson played a role in sending her husband to Africa and whether the trip was a "junket." At the same time, Mr. Fitzgerald has said, the vice president dispatched Mr. Libby to challenge Mr. Wilson in conversations with reporters.

It was during that effort, Mr. Fitzgerald has alleged, that Mr. Libby disclosed Ms. Wilson's employment at the C.I.A. along with the possibility that it was she who sent him to Niger.

In Mr. Rove's case, Mr. Fitzgerald centered his inquiry on why Mr. Rove did not admit early in the investigation that he had a conversation with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about Ms. Wilson and whether Mr. Rove was forthcoming about the later discovery of an internal e-mail message that confirmed his conversation with Mr. Cooper, to whom Mr. Rove had mentioned the existence of the C.I.A. officer.

Mr. Rove told the grand jury that he forgot the conversation with Mr. Cooper and volunteered it to Mr. Fitzgerald as soon as he recalled it, when his memory was jogged by the e-mail to Stephen J. Hadley, then deputy national security adviser, in which Mr. Rove referred to his discussion with Mr. Cooper.

At the center of the inquiry involving Mr. Rove are the circumstances surrounding a July 11, 2003, telephone conversation between Mr. Rove and Mr. Cooper, who turned the interview to questions about the trip to Africa by Mr. Wilson.

In his testimony to the grand jury in February 2004, Mr. Rove did not disclose the conversation with Mr. Cooper, saying later that he had forgotten it among the hundreds of calls he received on a daily basis. But there was a record of the call in the form of Mr. Rove's message to Mr. Hadley, the deputy national security adviser, which confirmed the conversation.

One lawyer with a client in the case said Mr. Fitzgerald was skeptical of Mr. Rove's account because the message was not discovered until the fall of 2004 — a year after Mr. Rove first talked to investigators. It was at about the same time that Mr. Fitzgerald had begun to compel reporters to cooperate with his inquiry, among them Mr. Cooper. The prosecutors legal thrust at reporters, in effect, put White House aides like Mr. Rove on notice that any conversations might become known.

Associates of Mr. Rove said the e-mail message was turned over immediately after it was found at the White House. They said Mr. Rove never intended to withhold details of a conversation with a reporter from Mr. Fitzgerald, noting that Mr. Rove had signed a legal waiver to allow reporters to reveal to prosecutors their discussions with confidential sources. In addition, they said, Mr. Rove testified about his conversation with Mr. Cooper — long before Mr. Cooper did — acknowledging that it was possible that the subject of Mr. Wilson's trip had come up.

It is now known that Mr. Fitzgerald and the grand jury have questioned Mr. Rove about two conversations with reporters. The first, which he admitted to investigators from the outset, took place on July 9, 2003, in a telephone call initiated by Robert D. Novak, the syndicated columnist. In a column about Mr. Wilson's trip four days after the call to Mr. Rove, Mr. Novak disclosed the identity of Ms. Wilson, who was said by Mr. Novak to have had a role in arranging her husband's trip. Mr. Novak identified her as Valerie Plame, Ms. Wilson's maiden name.

nytimes.com 

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To: American Spirit who wrote (7330)6/13/2006 8:57:50 AM
From: longnshort   of 9838
 
Rove not to be charged, lololol

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To: American Spirit who wrote (7330)6/13/2006 10:53:58 AM
From: TopCat   of 9838
 
"Rove's indictment may have been sealed last month. The website which first reporting the indictment is standing by their story."

Yep, we found out soon.

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To: TopCat who wrote (7333)6/13/2006 11:06:44 AM
From: American Spirit   of 9838
 
Rove is guilty of leaking Plame's name, which is treason and perjury, so there are three possibilities here.

Number one, Rove has flipped on someone else in the WH, perhaps someone more guilty than Rove himself, perhaps Dick Cheney. Cheney has already declared executive privilege to be above all such laws so they could be planning to let him "retire early" then try to get away with it. Plamegate was hatched primarily in Cheney's office and the VP is responsible. Cheney is also dead wood for this administration and maybe they'd love to replace him with a friendlier face, like Condi Rice. But either way, the crime was committed.

Another possibility is that Fitzgerald was "gotten to" somehow. Because we can clearly see that Rove outed the CIA agent, then lied about it. So why isn't he being charged?

Third possibility, the sealed indictment which was reported might not be against Rove, but might be against someone else besides Cheney, perhaps someone Rove is blaming for his own misconduct. Hadley, Armitage, Andy Card? WHo knows?

Whatever the case, Rove is guilty, got away by the skin of his teeth this time but will be facing more serious charges again in the future. He is the single biggest political criminal out there, along with Tom Delay who is already indicted.

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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (7331)6/13/2006 11:15:34 AM
From: American Spirit   of 9838
 
There is a sealed indictment everyone assumed was Rove's.
That is the report anyway. Assuming that's true, a sealed indictment could mean a lot of things, none of them good for the White House.

Also, if Rove gets away with this he is a magiciain because he clearly blabbed Plame's name to the press and clearly lied about it. SO he must have done some fancy footwork. It's also very possible he's turned state's evidence against someone else. Either a huge fiush like Cheney or a sacrificial lamb like Andy Card who's already been forced to resign.

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To: American Spirit who wrote (7328)6/13/2006 11:31:48 AM
From: tonto   of 9838
 
AS, is wrong...again.

WASHINGTON - Top White House aide Karl Rove has been told by prosecutors he won’t be charged with any crimes in the investigation into leak of a CIA officer's identity, his lawyer said Tuesday.

Attorney Robert Luskin said that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald informed him of the decision on Monday, ending months of speculation about the fate of one of President Bush’s closest advisers. Rove testified five times before a grand jury.

Rove is guilty of outing a WMD CIA agent during war-time and lying about it. That is treason.

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