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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (133811)5/27/2012 9:28:49 PM
From: TopCat1 Recommendation   of 156367
 
That was a loooooong time ago and not really relevant to this discussion....do you remember your lady teachers complaining about class sizes back then?

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (133812)5/27/2012 9:35:18 PM
From: Farmboy3 Recommendations   of 156367
 
Then you are comparing people with very different education/preparation work for the occupations ...

So, you really can't compare pay ....

You know, you always try to do this same crap whenever anyone calls you on something and you find they are right.

Have you ever just said "Ooops, I was wrong about that"?

No, because you are an attorney, and attorneys are always right, eh?
And, you are an old fart attorney ... old farts know everything for sure!


ROFLMAO

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To: longnshort who wrote (133778)5/27/2012 11:14:05 PM
From: Carolyn   of 156367
 
Do you have a link for this? This is outrageous, yest entirely believable!

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To: TopCat who wrote (133791)5/27/2012 11:23:43 PM
From: MJ1 Recommendation   of 156367
 


A TEACHER'S OPINION ABOUT CLASSROOM SIZE IN A SCHOOL

Having taught public school in three states these are my observations First, teachers have gotten used to teaching fewer students. They don't know how to teach a high school class of 35 to 40 for two reasons.

Current teachers have never observed good teachers teaching large classes and been taught the skills of teaching a large classroom through observation as a student,

The move to fewer students in a class began in the late 1960's and has persisted to present time.

Part of the reason they have fewer students per class, is because of the misguided concept that began in the late 1960's and 1970's via our teacher's associations, the thinkers at the University levels that it would benefit students to be in a classroom with fewer students----- allowing the teacher to give more time and attention to each student in the classroom. This is a myth that has not worked.

Parents were also taken in by that idea. Small classroom size became the norm.

Let's compare what it is like to teach a large number of students in mathematics to the job of being an orchestra conductor.

Each student has the written curricula to be studied and worked on in and out of class-------the score as in music. Each student has a seat in the classroom and knows the rules of conduct. The teacher sets the goal for the semester and the year and directs and leads the students in the study of the subject.

Homework is frequent and regular-----quizzes and examinations are the same. The Conductor, the teacher can spot rapidly, the students who need help. The teacher then uses techniques such as grouping students in the classroom --------with students helping each other to understand the process of learning. And, a personal call to the parents inviting them in for an interview session.

Of course, the teacher will have homework almost every night to be graded--------that is part of the job they were hired to do. A teacher must be prepared when they, he or she, walks into the classroom .

If that teacher is not prepared and energetic, then that teacher will not be able to teach either a small or large class.

The teacher in the article who teaches music would be about 36 now------having grown up in the era of small classroom sizes.

Being a musician also, I find it amazing that a music teacher would want small classes considering that choirs and bands and theory are endeavors that require a large number of students.

Our high school band had about 90 members and our choir had about 35. The band director knew her music and knew how to teach the playing of all of the instruments. We also learned from each other------size was never a problem.

Back to my major point that many teachers today have not had the experience of seeing a qualified teacher teach a large class; thereby learning how to teach by observation as well as having training in teaching large numbers of students while at the college or University.

Just a few thoughts-----mj

Steven Morris, who teaches music, said: "I can't think of any teacher in the whole time I have been teaching, 13 years, who would say that more students [in the classroom] would benefit. And I can't think of a parent that would say I would like my teacher to be in a room with a lot of kids and only one teacher." Ronald Benner, whose technology classes range from 23 to 28 students, chimed in that "you can give more personalized attention to each student if you have a smaller class size." Another teacher stressed the importance of keeping classes to no more than 18 students in the critical early primary grade


Romney: Classroom size isn't key to performance
Article by: PAUL WEST , Tribune Washington Bureau Updated: May 24, 2012 - 11:41 PM

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To: Carolyn who wrote (133815)5/27/2012 11:29:27 PM
From: longnshort   of 156367
 
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To: MJ who wrote (133816)5/27/2012 11:42:10 PM
From: TopCat1 Recommendation   of 156367
 
Good post. Thanks.

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (133795)5/28/2012 3:00:00 AM
From: Paul V.   of 156367
 
Kenneth, << top-flight teachers and administrators are what make the difference, he said.>> You will not get top-flight teachers without paying them top-flight pay and benefits. Why go into teaching when you can be an engineer, a physician, an attorney or research scientist? People my age (now 75) had the benefit of women teachers at a time when other professions were closed to them. Young people today do not have that benefit.


In 1983, a report, A Nation at Risk, was published on the condition of schools motivated after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. The report stated, "Our nation is at risk. Our once unchallenged pre-eminene in commerce, industry, science, and technological innovations is being overtaken by competitors throughout the World.


With this report as a backdrop, I completed my dissertation on the comparison of four school district with various socio-economic background using the business model outlined in the book, In Search of Excellence, by Peters and Waterman. Such analysis covered, Strategy, Superordinate Goals, Structure Hierarchy , Style, Systems, Employee Skill-sets, and Staff requirements.


The conclusion between the best and worst performing district became obvious. According to the Superintendent, "the common denominator for quality of education for youth of today was the financial excellence of a school district-you employ the best and brightest people, utilize the best management and instructional practices, and provide students with the best learning material and equipment. Consequently, the district is able to produce an excellent product-its excellent students, the leaders of tomorrow." This was reflected in the student scores on the basic skills tests, the ACT, and SCAT, and the Students" GPA and a large number of students attending advanced education schools. As the Superintendent stated, the expectation level of student performance is exceptionally high. "We have the most money, etc. and there is no room for failure." Class size was held to around 15-20 students in class were teacher-student personal, one on one, contact was very important.


The school district performing poorest, according to the previous standards outlined by Peters and Waterman, were just the opposite. The Superintendent stated, "Our district is to provide the best eduction from the resources that our community can provide-we are a poorer school district." When asked about his management and boards expectation, his response, "I manage by common sense." He then defined common sense as being, "Not to rock the boat."


My perception, "many school districts across the US do not have the high expectation nor financial support to provide the resources needed for an excellent education as proposed in the first district stressed above."





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To: Farmboy who wrote (133794)5/28/2012 5:55:00 AM
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Eliminating tenure was an important step. There are too many hiring mistakes in teaching and those mistakes must be corrected if you care about our children's education. Romney is right. At schools, the good students will have their parents support. I never see parents of too many students at functions. They will of course make excuses why they are always too busy...such bs.

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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (133779)5/28/2012 7:27:06 AM
From: tonto3 Recommendations   of 156367
 
WASHINGTON -- The White House is aggressively pushing the idea that, contrary to widespread belief, President Barack Obama is tightfisted with taxpayer dollars. To back it up, the administration cites a media report that claims federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since the Eisenhower years.

"Federal spending since I took office has risen at the slowest pace of any president in almost 60 years," Obama said at a campaign rally Thursday in Des Moines, Iowa.

The problem with that rosy claim is that the Wall Street bailout is part of the calculation. The bailout ballooned the 2009 budget just before Obama took office, making Obama's 2010 results look smaller in comparison. And as almost $150 billion of the bailout was paid back during Obama's watch, the analysis counted them as government spending cuts.

It also assumes Obama had less of a role setting the budget for 2009 than he really did.

Obama rests his claim on an analysis by MarketWatch, a financial information and news service owned by Dow Jones & Co. The analysis simply looks at the year-to-year topline spending number for the government but doesn't account for distortions baked into the figures by the Wall Street bailout and government takeover of the mortgage lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The MarketWatch study finds spending growth of only 1.4 percent over 2010-2013, or annual increases averaging 0.4 percent over that period. Those are stunningly low figures considering that Obama rammed through Congress an $831 billion stimulus measure in early 2009 and presided over significant increases in annual spending by domestic agencies at the same time the cost of benefit programs like Social Security, Medicare and the Medicaid were ticking steadily higher.

A fairer calculation would give Obama much of the responsibility for an almost 10 percent budget boost in 2009, then a 13 percent increase over 2010-2013, or average annual growth of spending of just more than 3 percent over that period.

So, how does the administration arrive at its claim?

First, there's the Troubled Assets Relief Program, the official name for the Wall Street bailout. First, companies got a net $151 billion from TARP in 2009, making 2010 spending look smaller. Then, because banks and Wall Street firms repaid a net $110 billion in TARP funds in 2010, Obama is claiming credit for cutting spending by that much.


The combination of TARP lending in one year and much of that money being paid back in the next makes Obama's spending record for 2010 look $261 billion thriftier than it really was. Only by that measure does Obama "cut" spending by 1.8 percent in 2010 as the analysis claims.

The federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac also makes Obama's record on spending look better than it was. The government spent $96 billion on the Fannie-Freddie takeovers in 2009 but only $40 billion on them in 2010. By the administration's reckoning, the $56 billion difference was a spending cut by Obama.

Taken together, TARP and the takeover of Fannie and Freddie combine to give Obama an undeserved $317 billion swing in the 2010 figures and the resulting 1.8 percent cut from 2009. A fairer reading is an almost 8 percent increase.

Those two bailouts account for $72 billion more in cuts in 2011. Obama supported the bailouts.

There's also the question of how to treat the 2009 fiscal year, which actually began Oct. 1, 2008, almost four months before Obama took office. Typically, the remaining eight months get counted as part of the prior president's spending since the incoming president usually doesn't change it much until the following October. The MarketWatch analysis assigned 2009 to former President George W. Bush, though it gave Obama responsibility that year for a $140 million chunk of the 2009 stimulus bill.

But Obama's role in 2009 spending was much bigger than that. For starters, he signed nine spending bills funding every Cabinet agency except Defense, Veterans Affairs and Homeland Security. While the numbers don't jibe exactly, Obama bears the chief responsibility for an 11 percent, $59 billion increase in non-defense spending in 2009. Then there's a 9 percent, $109 billion increase in combined defense and non-defense appropriated outlays in 2010, a year for which Obama is wholly responsible.

As other critics have noted, including former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the MarketWatch analysis also incorporates CBO's annual baseline as its estimate for fiscal years 2012 and 2013. That gives Obama credit for three events unlikely to occur:

_$65 billion in 2013 from automatic, across-the-board spending cuts slated to take effect next January.

_Cuts in Medicare payments to physicians.

_The expiration of refundable tax cuts that are "scored" as spending in federal ledgers.

Lawmakers are unlikely to allow the automatic cuts to take full effect, but it's at best a guessing game as to what will really happen in 2013. A better measure is Obama's request for 2013.

"You can only make him look good by ignoring the early years and adopting the hope and not the reality of the years in his budget," said Holtz-Eakin, a GOP economist and president of the American Action Forum, a free market think tank.

So how does Obama measure up?

If one assumes that TARP and the takeover of Fannie and Freddie by the government as one-time budgetary anomalies and remove them from calculations – an approach taken by Holtz-Eakin – you get the following picture:

_A 9.7 percent increase in 2009, much of which is attributable to Obama.

_A 7.8 percent increase in 2010, followed by slower spending growth over 2011-13. Much of the slower growth reflects the influence of Republicans retaking control of the House and their budget and debt deal last summer with Obama. All told, government spending now appears to be growing at an annual rate of roughly 3 percent over the 2010-2013 period, rather than the 0.4 percent claimed by Obama and the MarketWatch analysis.

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To: tonto who wrote (133821)5/28/2012 8:13:17 AM
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They also conveniently leave out the fact that the house and senate were both controlled by a substantial Dumasrat majority. They also leave out that Bush never signed the 2009 budget. If any thing it should be called the Pelosi Reid Dumasrat budget.

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