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To: locogringo who wrote (119584)12/10/2011 5:38:15 PM
From: gronieel2   of 156393
 
Here's the post loconut...

Here's Bruce Bartlett, former Reagan adviser:

"Basically we're still stuck in the situation we were three years ago and we haven't made any progress at all except that our problems are much worse because of political reasons, because we now have a crazy party in charge of one of the Houses of our Congress and they won't allow anything to happen because it's in their vested interest to make things worse," Bartlett explained in his typically exasperated way. "Plus they have a theory that is completely nuts…. I'm very depressed. [...] The most we can hope for is that a complete crazy person like Newt Gingrich gets the Republican nomination, the Republicans lose so badly that they lose control of the House and don't get control of the Senate and then maybe in a year we can finally talk about doing something rational. [...]"

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To: locogringo who wrote (119584)12/10/2011 5:44:22 PM
From: gronieel2   of 156393
 
Two Liberian and One Arab Woman....HUZZAH!

Nobel Peace Prize Accepted By 3 Women


Audio for this story from All Things Considered will be available at approx. 7:00 p.m. ET

For the first time, an Arab woman has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. At a ceremony in Oslo, Norway, Saturday, Tawakkul Karman known as the "mother of Yemen's democratic revolution"— shared the 2011 prize with two Liberian women, President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Leymah Gbowee, who helped lead the protests that ousted former Liberian President Charles Taylor.

Almost as good as when President Obama got the prize!

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To: JBTFD who wrote (119564)12/10/2011 6:10:20 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie3 Recommendations   of 156393
 
I just would like to see libertarians admit that human nature corrupts the private sector just as much as the public sector.

There is a common misconception that Libertarians believe in Libertopia where everybody lives in harmony if only we let them. This isn't true. I don't know of any libertarian who denies the existence of human nature along with all of its foibles. The concern that libertarians have is the marriage of private and public sector. If the public sector organization is on its own and misbehaves, the free market will take care of it (not necessarily immediately, again, we are not talking about some type of utopia where nothing ever goes wrong). But when you have the government passing regulations that make it nearly impossible for competition to enter the market, it allows the incumbents to get away with pretty egregious sins.

The derivatives shell game being engaged in by the private sector is going to bury us all.
B

Again, this was the results of mandates and influence by the government on the private sector coupled with the twin safety nets of government underwritten loans and finally rewarded with bailouts. The government practically begged for the financial institutions to pull the crap that they did.
No profit driven bank would have considered loans to the lower income buyers unless coerced by the government.
No profit driven bank would have actually followed through with the loans to the lower income buyers unless they government underwrote the loans through fannie and freddie.
And finally, now we have set the precedent that we will bail out the banks who clearly should have been left to fail, thus putting ethical financial disadvantage in the competitive market.

In a free market, sure there could be some bad actors in the financial industry. But there is no way that it could be systemic like what we saw in the 1990s and the 2000s (we conveniently forget that dotcom bubble which was exacerbated by government policies.....and the collapse of the bubble was a big part of the motivation to mess with the real estate market).

I think that one of the things that many progressives neglect to acknowledge is that where the benefits of a systemic policy can be widespread, the liabilities are equally as widespread. In a free market you may have individual sectors that go through boom/bust cycles, it is unlikely to affect the whole economy. Economies that are heavily influenced by the government are going to have systemic market wide booms and busts that we have been seeing.

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To: longnshort who wrote (119570)12/10/2011 6:15:16 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie7 Recommendations   of 156393
 
The EU mess is proof that a one world government could never work.

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To: gronieel2 who wrote (119586)12/10/2011 8:11:46 PM
From: locogringo3 Recommendations   of 156393
 
Here's the post loconut...

DUH DUH DUH........ Mebbe I saw the post if I mentioned it here. DOH DOH DOH

Are you trying to get me banned from this thread too by ASSociating yourself to me?

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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (119588)12/10/2011 8:14:32 PM
From: JBTFD   of 156393
 
"No profit driven bank would have considered loans to the lower income buyers unless coerced by the government."

They would have if they knew they could bundle them into CDO's and sell them off at a profit, which is what they did.

By the way thanks for taking the time to actually respond. It is refreshing to have an exchange that doesn't dissolve into ad hominem after one post.

I think we have a lot of common ground in the understanding of the risks of concentration of power and corruption in the government. Where we may differ is in the understanding of the risks of concentration of power and corruption in the private sector. You can't blame the billions of dollars being gambled on derivatives on the government. They are not mandating that. It seems that libertarians always are pointing a finger at the government not realizing that 3 fingers are pointing back at the private sector.

I also feel that we are so far beyond the hypotheticals of one idealism or another. In my opinion we are now at a juncture of an almost complete breakdown of the rule of law and also not too far from another financial breakdown. There seems to be an entitled class that can do whatever they please and get away with it, while at the same time for the masses more and more behavior is being criminalized. Now with the MF Global thing it appears that accounts at financial institutions are no longer safe.

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To: longnshort who wrote (119585)12/10/2011 8:41:05 PM
From: joseffy2 Recommendations   of 156393
 
Homeowner's Association Confiscates Family's Virgin Mary Statue
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Condo Owners Miffed By Removal Of Virgin Mary Statue

December 9, 2011 by Marty Griffin
pittsburgh.cbslocal.com 


(Credit: KDKA)

ROBINSON TOWNSHIP (KDKA) — The Vasko home is full of religious icons. Some of them have seasonal significance and some don’t, but all of them are inside the home for now.

“I had a Blessed Mother statue sitting out here,” Steven Vasko said.

He placed the statue just below the window of his family’s Robinson Township condominium.

“Yeah it was taken,” Vasko said. “The association – they stole it.”

He’s kind of right. The homeowners association did have someone remove the 150-pound cement statue from the spot.

The association says its common ground. No one is allowed to have anything on common ground so the statue had to go.

To get the statue back, Vasko will have to open his wallet.

“I have to pay a fine,” he said. “Would that be extortion or kidnapping? You tell me, I don’t know.”

Papers from the homeowners association indicate the Vaskos were fined for every month they violated policy by having the statue outside illegally. That fine is now more than $4,000.

There’s more. Because they haven’t paid the fine, the homeowners association is holding the statue and has just taken away the couple’s rights for them to park on the property.

This is religious persecution. This is discrimination. Is it a losing battle to hold your ground? No.

“If you are, then we might as well all quit as Americans and say, ‘Have a nice day, bye.’”

Looks like the homeowners association plans on standing its ground. So do the Vaskos, they say, for the Virgin Mary.

“I made a promise to the Blessed Mother and I’m keeping it,” Vasko said. “And this is about her. This isn’t about me.”

The dispute will most likely end up in court.

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To: joseffy who wrote (119592)12/10/2011 9:14:32 PM
From: JBTFD1 Recommendation   of 156393
 
If a homeowners association does not enforce the rules they become unenforceable. Maybe the guy should have read the CCRs before he moved in.

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To: locogringo who wrote (119590)12/10/2011 9:46:45 PM
From: joefromspringfield3 Recommendations   of 156393
 
Loco

Wasn't Ken part of that racist gang involved in the electronic lynching of Herman Cain?

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To: locogringo who wrote (119553)12/11/2011 7:48:44 AM
From: chartseer2 Recommendations   of 156393
 
Yes sir! the one who also ignored the facts and offered brain dead liberal opinions as facts. He sure was a laugh!

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