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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (49204)2/15/2012 12:44:41 PM
From: Farmboy
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That's one title I'll be happy to see awarded to the messiah.

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (49201)2/15/2012 12:52:27 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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Holocaust Survivor Calls Out Romney Over Proxy Baptisms

Elie Wiesel wants the GOP hopeful to tell the Mormon church to stop posthumously baptizing Jews killed in the Holocaust.

By Rachael Levy
Posted Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012, at 5:41 PM ET
slatest.slate.com

Prominent Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel wants Mitt Romney to urge the Mormon church to abandon its practice of posthumously baptizing Jews, some of whom died in concentration camps during World War II.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Wiesel said that Romney "should speak to his own church and say they should stop" the practice. "I think it's scandalous," he continued. "Not only objectionable, it's scandalous."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints performs the proxy baptisms in order to "save" ancestors and others who weren’t baptized in life or who were baptized " without proper authority." Mormons can propose a proxy baptism after a person has died.

The practice came to light in 1994 when an Israeli genealogist researching her family found the name of her grandfather, a religious Jew who had been killed in the Holocaust, in the LDS database of posthumously baptized Mormons. With more digging, a whole slew of prominent names came to the surface, including Anne Frank, Albert Einstein and David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister.

The discovery produced outrage within the Jewish community, and negotiations between Mormon and Jewish leaders led to a 1995 agreement whereby the church would stop all posthumous baptisms of Jews, except for those who were direct ancestors of Mormons. After that arrangement fell apart, the two sides brokered another compromise in 2010 that specifically barred proxy baptisms for Holocaust survivors.

But Wiesel and others say that Mormons have not held up their end of the bargain, a claim that has been supported by a Salt Lake City researcher who says that she recently found the name of Wiesel and other Holocaust survivors in the LDS database (despite the fact that the 83-year-old is very much still alive). The Mormon church has said that Wiesel's name was entered by mistake, according to the Associated Press.

Wiesel said that as a presidential candidate, no topic is off limits for Romney, including the proxy baptisms. However, as Romney backers have been quick to point out, the White House hopeful isn't the only member of LDS in U.S. politics. Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the Senate, is also a Mormon.

Wiesel's decision to call out Romney by name could pose problems for the GOP front-runner for a number of reasons. One, it forces the issue of his Mormon religion (not exactly a selling point for many conservative voters) back into the headlines. And two, as HuffPo notes, it could cause trouble with Republican-voting Jews in Florida and elsewhere in a general election matchup with President Obama.

Romney's camp is not commenting on the story, a common practice of late for the campaign.

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (49184)2/15/2012 12:59:06 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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Fox’s own national poll finds top-heavy public support for offering birth control coverage in health plans.

By a 61-34 percent margin, those surveyed this week approve of the Obama administration requiring all employee health plans to provide birth control coverage as part of health care for women.

Sixty-seven percent of women surveyed, and 65 percent of Catholic women, supported the contraception/birth control requirement. Fifty-three percent of men surveyed endorsed birth control coverage.

In the Fox poll 58 percent of Catholics endorsing birth control coverage. It tracks almost exactly with a survey by the Public Religion Research Institute released earlier this week. It, too, found that 58 percent of Catholics were in approval....

(PS: 28 states *already* have laws on their books requiring health insurance plans sold in their states to cover contraceptive services. A typical loophole found in several of them, [for example: Georgia's law says this], is that health insurance plans DO NOT HAVE TO OFFER COVERAGE for prescription contraceptives --- JUST SO LONG as they do not cover any other prescription drugs either. :-)

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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (49207)2/15/2012 1:03:03 PM
From: Farmboy
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"By deciding this matter on the merits, the court in no way condones the conduct or legal scholarship of defendant's attorney, Mr. Jablonski," Malihi wrote. "This decision is entirely based on the law, as well as the evidence and legal arguments presented at the hearing."

Horsefeathers. By deciding the case 'based on the law', this judge has specifically and completely condoned the conduct and legal scholarship of Jablonski. What else could one possibly infer from the actions of the Judge? Jablonski is pouring himself a double right now,laughing at "them dumb old southern judges".

I do agree that a person born in the US is a natural born citizen, and never understood how anyone expected to prove, or even ventured to argue, otherwise. I am not convinced Obama was born in the US, however.

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (49187)2/15/2012 1:03:08 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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Re: "Campaign Document"

Of course!

The campaign is on. :-)

(ALL federal budget plans released during election years are largely crafted to be political documents, aiming to position the politicians for maximal advantage during the election cycle. As it ever was....)

I expect that NOTHING substantial will be done in Washington this year regarding deficits, trade policy, tax reform, etc., etc. until AFTER the election is over and done with.

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To: Farmboy who wrote (49211)2/15/2012 1:07:35 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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(I think the judge was a little peeved that no one showed up personally to defend <g> still he couldn't see sufficient facts or legal logic to proceed either.)

I posted the RESULTS of the court action here because it seems that - as per usual - the initial charges were exuberantly posted here... but - again as per usual - the denouement somehow never shows up. :-)

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (49205)2/15/2012 1:11:11 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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So you think that Harry Reid's little sleight-of-hand trick (having one guy show up, bang the gavel and then leave - all while being specifically forbidden to do any Senate work) is REALLY a "session of the Senate" in the Constitutional sense???????

That's interesting!

(Well... I for one look forward to the courts finally answering this question, even though it's only been a few years that this trick has been played.)

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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (49213)2/15/2012 1:13:16 PM
From: Farmboy
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I'm glad you posted them. I was not aware of the ruling.

And a judge can always simply find in favor of one side, if/when the other side fails to show up after being duly served ... or ... issue a warrant for failure to appear ... so the judge did have options. He simply failed to exercise them. Was this judge elected or appointed (if you know)?

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To: Farmboy who wrote (49215)2/15/2012 1:16:48 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof
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Don't know anything about the judge (other than the media reports that he is a Republican).

However this makes, what?, twelve or so cases in a row now that have lost in courts across the land?

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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (49216)2/15/2012 1:23:57 PM
From: Farmboy
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I wouldn't know. You seem to be the one keeping up with it.

If you think he is Republican, then would you think he is elected or appointed?

(Ever see the MSM report anyone they were trying to discredit, as being a democrat?)

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