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To: SiouxPal who wrote (58053)2/13/2006 8:04:11 AM
From: T L Comiskey   of 236453
 
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To: American Spirit who wrote (58051)2/13/2006 8:18:07 AM
From: stockman_scott   of 236453
 
Debating Impeachment Among Democrats

By David Swanson

huffingtonpost.com 

02.12.2006

Can you even imagine Republicans, even if they had a minority in Congress, debating whether or not to call for the impeachment of a Democratic president known and documented as guilty of a wide range of high crimes and misdemeanors? In particular, if you can imagine that, can you imagine the
Republicans who opposed impeachment arguing that they were doing so for strategic political reasons?

This is hard to imagine, because the Republicans won a majority in Congress by loudly proclaiming what they would do if they had it. The main thing they said they would do and still say they will do is oppose the agenda of the Democrats.

Meanwhile, Democratic voters and lapsed voters keep waiting for the Democrats to have an agenda. Polls show that most of us want strong positions on single-payer health care, clean elections, ending the war, shifting to renewable energy, investing in education, restoring the minimum wage, and other policies that incumbent Democrats are usually - at best - taking baby steps on. They seem to be operating under the delusion that they might achieve something small by trying to cooperate with the radical right-wingers who rule the committees.

One of the positions that we Democratic voters seem to care most strongly and decisively about is impeachment of the president. In a recent Zogby poll in Pennsylvania, 85 percent of Democrats favored congressional candidates who are committed to impeachment. Over 75 percent strongly
preferred such candidates. These and other polls are revealing not just a preference, but a passionate preference.

Democrats who think they can run on content-free platforms and win because of disgust for Bush are apparently aware of the disgust that's out there. What they are missing is that it's even higher for Democrats who fail to stand up to Bush. I've been at a number of events around the country - Democratic events and anti-war events - where the applause and cheering for impeachment has been topped only by the booing and hissing for Democrats who roll over and refuse to challenge the Bush regime.

Some commentators, including Arianna Huffington, who has been kind enough to let me post my disagreement here on HuffingtonPost, say we can't push impeachment until after non-Republicans win a majority in Congress.

This makes no sense to me, because first we need a reason to vote the Democrats a majority. You don't get a majority without offering people a reason to vote you one.

If 85 percent of Democrats want candidates who stand for impeachment, impeachment could help win a majority. These two goals are not opposed, but that of impeachment needs to come first if that of winning Congress is to be achieved.

Winning Congress for the Democrats may or may not be needed in order to impeach Bush and Cheney. It also may or may not lead to impeachment. It depends what sort of Democrats we elect, how we pressure them once they're in, and whether we've built a massive campaign for impeachment that is already up and running once they get there.

It's hard enough getting Democrats to do what they promise to do in their campaigns. Imagine how hard it would be to get them to do something controversial if we'd all kept quiet about it during the campaigns!

It is not a waste of time to push popular positions without any guarantee or even likelihood they'll succeed. It is the only way to make them eventually succeed. And that includes: it is the only way to change the political balance.

It is also the only thing Democrats in Congress are doing right now. Why should the Dems push futile proposals on education, energy, the war, and every other issue, but not push a futile proposal on impeachment? If we're going to declare everything futile, then they should just go home until someone miraculously gives them a majority.

OR, they could fight for what people want them to fight for, and provide us a reason to vote them a majority.

I say we need to demand right now that they sign on (as 23 of them have) to H Res 635, John Conyers' bill to create an investigation that will make recommendations on impeachment.

And let's be clear: We need to impeach both Bush and Cheney.

But there are several reasons we should not worry about the remote possibility that impeaching Bush would stick us with Cheney as President.

An investigation into possible grounds for impeachment, as well as proposals for censure, serves an educational and political purpose, whether or not we get to impeachment. We further discredit the Bushies, and we help to build an opposition.

Impeachment and removal from office are two separate things, one of which has never been done in U.S. history. We should try for removal from office, but we shouldn't worry about it one way or another while fighting for impeachment.

It would be virtually impossible to investigate Bush or Cheney without incriminating the other one. If we impeach one, we impeach both.

Cheney is running the show now backstage. If by some combination of incredibly improbably occurrences he ended up president, we'd be better off with him up front as a walking advertisement for voting against Republicans. We'd be no worse off, since he's already in charge.

It is, in any case, our duty to demand impeachment. If you cannot impeach for the highest crime imaginable, taking the nation to war on the basis of lies, then you can never impeach, or impeachment must be reserved for sex. We must not be the ones to effectively remove the impeachment process from the US Constitution.

It is the duty of every citizen to demand what is right and just, come what may. More important than who sits in the Oval Office is that they know that we can hold them accountable for their actions.

Allowing criminal underlings to provide immunity is a recipe for disaster. If Bush is untouchable because Cheney is criminal, let's stop and think where that leaves us.

And let's stop and think about what it means to be a citizen. We all know that it's unlikely that a Republican Congress will impeach Bush and Cheney. But most of us understand that no important change has ever looked likely - through the course of history - before it's been won. And most of us know that our respect for Democrats will increase dramatically if they fight for what is right, likely or not, plausible or not, reasonable or not.

Americans are fed up with Bush but even more turned off by Democrats' failure to develop a backbone.

Can you imagine every Democrat in Congress standing strongly for impeachment? Can you imagine the pressure that would put on Republicans to join them? I bet you can.

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (58078)2/13/2006 10:03:53 AM
From: 10K a day   of 236453
 
Gonzalez was there to insult your intelligence...LOL

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To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (57985)2/13/2006 11:23:57 AM
From: techguerrilla   of 236453
 
I understand ... but punching in your zipcode doesn't work. Thanks anyway, Patty.

/john

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From: redfish2/13/2006 11:54:10 AM
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The upside to Cheney for shooting a guy in the face is now everybody will be afraid of him and he'll be known as "Crazy Ass Dick Cheney."

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (58072)2/13/2006 12:03:21 PM
From: techguerrilla   of 236453
 
What a brilliant article Maureen wrote about Hillary ... The part I liked the best was .....

__________

"The hit on Hillary may seem crude and transparent. But in the void created by dormant Democrats, crude and transparent ploys work for the Republicans. Just look at how far the Bushies’ sulfurous scaremongering on terror, and cynical linkage of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden have gotten them.

The gambit handcuffs Hillary: If she doesn’t speak out strongly against President Bush, she’s timid and girly. If she does, she’s a witch and a shrew. It plays particularly well in the South, where it would be hard for an uppity Hillary to capture many more Bubbas than the one she already has.

It’s the riddle of the Sphinx that has been floating around since the selection of Geraldine Ferraro. Betty Friedan worried then that a woman seen as a threat to men would not get to the White House. But how can a woman who’s not a threat to men get there?"

__________

There's no excuse for "the Bushies’ sulfurous scaremongering on terror ... and cynical linkage of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden." That's one of the best lines I've heard in ages. The current GOP is fascist and evil.

/john

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (58082)2/13/2006 12:04:34 PM
From: American Spirit   of 236453
 
There are several high crimes to impeach Bush-Cheney on. Take your pick. I guess they'd go with the one where there is the most glaring evidence. All of these crimes are a million times more serious than Monica Lewinsky and Watergate.

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (58080)2/13/2006 12:20:47 PM
From: James Calladine   of 236453
 
His take on Imus is pretty much the same as mine.

Obviously some people like his show, I just see it as a feast
of celebration of an overblown ego.

Namaste!


Jim

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To: James Calladine who wrote (58088)2/13/2006 12:27:18 PM
From: zonkie   of 236453
 
Scott McClellen is about to hold a press briefing on the Cheney shooting. He will explain how it was in no way the fault of the vice president. There will be no mention of the amount of alcohol consumed but if you know how much alcohol leaves the body in 18 hours you will have a general idea.

It will be live on fox bur if you can find it on another news outlet you will have a much better chance of not being exposed to a load of bull after the briefing.

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To: zonkie who wrote (58089)2/13/2006 12:29:29 PM
From: Skywatcher   of 236453
 
Robert Scheer: Where Would Bush Be Without Terrorism?

Robert ScheerWed Feb 8, 1:25 AM ET

Where would the Bush administration be without terrorism? Like the Cold
War before it, the "war on terror" is a conveniently sweeping rationale
for all manner of irrational governance, such as the outrageous $2.77
trillion budget the president proposed to Congress on Monday.

Without terrorism, how could Bush justify to fiscal conservatives the
whopping budget deficits that he has ballooned via his tax cuts for the
wealthy that he now seeks to make permanent? Without terrorism, how
could he convince government corruption watchdogs that the huge
increases in military and homeland security -- 7 percent and 8 percent,
respectively -- aren't simply payback to the defense contractors who so
heavily support the Republicans every election cycle? Without
terrorism, how could the president get away with blindly dumping
another $120 billion into the war in Afghanistan and the bungled
occupation of Iraq that the Bush administration had once promised would
be financed by Iraqi oil sales?

In order to pay for the money pit that is Iraq, the Bush budget demands
draconian cuts in 141 domestic programs, led by a $36 billion cut in
Medicare spending for the elderly over the next five years. This from a
president re-elected after promising to expand rather than curtail
health-care services to seniors.

Many of the other proposed cuts are equally obscene, such as the
termination of $1 billion in child-care funds over five years, and the
complete elimination of the Commodity Supplemental Food Program that
provides food assistance to low-income seniors, needy pregnant women
and children.

These attacks on the social safety net for the most vulnerable members
of our society are not only patently unfair, in light of Bush's tax
cuts for the wealthy, but the simultaneous blank check for the Pentagon
cannot be honestly justified by the fight against terrorism. And
although the president insists that it is unpatriotic to question his
strategies in fighting terrorism, let me risk his opprobrium, and that
of the pseudo-conservative bully boys that shill for him in the media,
by doing just that.

To begin with, we must remember that this "war" was launched against an
enemy, still mostly at large, who on Sept. 11 accomplished phenomenal
destruction and suffering with armaments no fiercer or costly than some
box-cutters. Their key weapon, in fact, was suicidal fanaticism.

Yet, rather than sensibly investing in aggressive global detective
work, collaborating with our European allies, engaging meaningfully
with an independent and skeptical Arab world, and working to protect
vulnerable U.S. sites such as nuclear-power plants, our leaders decided
to turn logic on its head and make ignorance about the enemy into a
virtue, slash civil liberties and recklessly invade a major Muslim
country that had no connection to the attacks.

In other words, our response to Sept. 11 has been almost completely
military in nature, granting the Defense Department an excuse to
increase spending by 48 percent in just four years. Yet, despite all
this spending, and the loss of life that has accompanied it, our
standing in the Muslim world has been in freefall since we invaded
Iraq, we have never captured or killed Osama bin Laden or his top
strongman, we don't know how to "fix" Iraq or Afghanistan, and we have
greatly strengthened the hand of our rivals in Iran.

We don't even know, as the Sept. 11 commission report revealed, much of
anything about the 15 Saudi hijackers and their four leaders from other
parts of the Arab world who committed the Sept. 11 attacks. We do know,
however, that they weren't from Iraq, weren't funded by Iraq and
weren't trained by or in Iraq; nevertheless, the huge elephant in the
Bush budget is the war and occupation of Iraq, now approaching its
third anniversary, not the effort to dismantle al Qaeda.

"Since 2001, the administration ... liberated nearly 50 million people
in Iraq and Afghanistan," boasts the Bush budget document. Ah, but if
they have been liberated, then why the need for an additional $50
billion emergency "bridge funding" in 2007, itself coming on the heels
of a supplementary $70 billion budget request last week? The answer
provided by the report is that Iraq is far from being stabilized and
that in Afghanistan "enemy activity has increased over the past year."

Unfortunately, the Democratic leadership in Congress is still unwilling
to challenge the necessity of "winning" the war in Iraq and, as a
result, its complaints about cutting needed domestic programs are
framed exclusively as an argument against making Bush's tax cuts
permanent. It is a losing argument, because it leaves Bush as both the
big spender and the big tax-cutter once again, posturing as the savior
of the taxpayer when he is in fact quite the opposite for all but the
wealthiest Americans.

Robert Scheer is the editor of TruthDig.

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