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To: George8 who wrote (6225)1/12/2010 11:13:16 AM
From: hubris33   of 12085
 
Exactly - just another piece of the puzzle.

Also some wider perspective is good too.

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To: hubris33 who wrote (6217)1/12/2010 12:25:44 PM
From: Eva   of 12085
 
Didn't we had exactly the same problem at last month opex
damn ETF's

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To: Eva who wrote (6227)1/13/2010 1:02:59 AM
From: hubris33   of 12085
 
Options Expiration Slamming
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From: hubris331/13/2010 10:20:03 AM
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Need to see some buying here at POF 1125 area. Euro gave back all of its overnight gains. USD looking frisky - a bit. DOW ran into selling at 3 tries at 10670.

What fun?

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To: hubris33 who wrote (6229)1/13/2010 10:27:45 AM
From: hubris33   of 12085
 
OK so no buying at 1125... 1120 has been a better support areas anyway. I vote we hang out there rather than testing EOY lows, 1090.

WTIC dropped anticipating EIA report.

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To: hubris33 who wrote (6229)1/13/2010 10:28:22 AM
From: schzammm   of 12085
 
What fun??? My entire PM/BM is wrapped up in TGB. However I am short several ETFs covering most of the general market. Question is if the general market implodes do the PM and BM markets get drug(ed) down also?



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To: schzammm who wrote (6231)1/13/2010 10:52:58 AM
From: hubris33   of 12085
 
>>> Question is if the general market implodes do the PM and BM markets get drug(ed) down also?<<<

That my friend is the $64,000 Question!

Conventional wisdom suggests that, yes, if markets implode, all stocks, including PMs should drop too. I have also seen opinions that "this time it is different" and PMs should ride with POG which will stay up.

I dunno. Watching the GDX and DOW in real time today would favor the former theory. Perhaps it depends on the reason for the implosion and/or ones perspective/time frame?

Here is what recent evidence suggest...





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To: hubris33 who wrote (6232)1/13/2010 10:56:15 AM
From: jmiller099   of 12085
 
I am with you on that outlook. It is just one data point, but last time the market imploded I was able to buy some energy and miner stocks very cheaply. I expect the same at the next implosion, however I have underperformed the market as I sat in cash for a while waiting for it!

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To: jmiller099 who wrote (6233)1/13/2010 11:20:16 AM
From: hubris33   of 12085
 
In this environment with little retail volume, managing risk is key, so sitting is cash and not loosing anything is a good move. Unless retail totally abandons the markets, at some point we should get a nice trend to follow (either up or down). Until then it is scalp trading on very ST or intraday turns. So sitting in cash wait for a juicy opportunity is a good move. Took me a while to develop some patience and wait - it isn't easy, one wants to be actively doing something.

Today's drop in GDX brings us back down toward the lower channel line. Watch for that level for a lower risk entry. Otherwise trade any breakout over today's high and close over 50dMA of GDX.

For a clue of where we could be, look not only at the channel lines and the price relative to those lines, but also look at the last time the POG had a similar type of run up. That was the April to June 1, 2009 run in POG. What happened after that run up? I've added a few lines (grey & orange) to highlight the similarities.



Good luck trading!

H3

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To: hubris33 who wrote (6234)1/13/2010 12:43:16 PM
From: schzammm   of 12085
 
GRS is getting killed for what ever reason. Probably reaction to their positive PR. Picked up some for a ST bounce today at 11.01. If GRS has a nice bounce I might hold half the position. Will have to see what the PMs do the rest of the day.


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