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To: UncleBigs who wrote (58664)10/27/2006 3:11:24 PM
From: Crimson Ghost
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Perhaps not so bullish for stocks after all.

Could all those expecting stocks to rally through the election be in for a nasty surprise as often happens when a trade gets too lopsided.

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To: ild who wrote (58577)10/27/2006 3:22:47 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön
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interesting that that site considers Hillary a shoo-in.
the following article makes it sound like Obama is the favorite, but he's given only 10% odds on tradesports (although his stock has been a five-bagger in the last week).
i guess the people at tradesport are betting on "the machine".

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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (58674)10/27/2006 3:43:57 PM
From: ild
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To: TobagoJack who wrote (58609)10/27/2006 4:51:33 PM
From: Broken_Clock
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If only what u posted wasn't really the truth...

650k dead Iraqis since GWII and add in another 1,000k from the oil for food fiasco under Clinton. Maybe we should count by millions then it's not so bad? 1.65mm dead is much less than 1,650,000 yes?

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (58676)10/27/2006 5:42:54 PM
From: TobagoJack
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where did you get those numbers?

do you mean to say no innocents died in mesopotamia?

or do you suppose the dead-enders numbered substantially more than a few thousand?

or do the 40-odd peaceful tent-dwellers in afghanistan who just got killed in the middle of the night not count?

or is that NATO's fault, as in NATO folks woke up one morning and said, 'gee, i think i will go to af ... somewhere'?

what do you think the numbers are? and is it a matter of 'rothfmao'?

it is interesting that you can assign such a precise number that you believe to be false, to my post, and then 'rothfmao', with an exclamation mark yet.

or perhaps you meant 'they are killing each other. no one enabled them. no one destroyed their govt and institutions, and replaced with nothing, except put in a bunch of known embezzlers in charge, and when the intervening coalition leaves, it would be job well-done and mission accomplished'

i am guessing you would disagree with this assessment and its implicit forecast for the future Message 22948136

in any case, do tell, since i did not mention any specific number, and you indubitably know the precise count, how many innocents do you believe died and is it a laughing matter?

or, is it time for dissenters to 'back off' now? because 'stuff happens' and 'nothing matters', and since the course will be 'stayed', thus peaceful and happy democracy will rise in the desert, ruled over by enlightened and chosen despots, by 1% more than 50, after a few rounds of recount?

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To: RealMuLan who wrote (58672)10/27/2006 6:05:06 PM
From: RealMuLan
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Former Intelligence Agent Says Google In Bed With CIA
Steele also sounds off on 9/11 doubts
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison | October 27 2006

A former clandestine services officer for the CIA who also maintains close relationships with top Google representatives says that the company is "in bed with" the intelligence agency and the U.S. government. He has also gone public on his deep suspicions about the official explanation behind 9/11.

Robert David Steele appeared on the nationally syndicated Alex Jones radio show and began by voicing his deep doubts about the official 9/11 story.

While Steele stopped short of saying 9/11 was a complete inside job, he agreed that the evidence points to the overwhelming complicity of the Bush administration.

"The U.S. government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over," said Steele adding, "I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated."

"There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition."

Steele pointed the finger of suspicion directly at the Vice President saying, "There's no question in my own mind that Dick Cheney is the tar baby in this whole thing."

Steele outlined the bizarre circumstances preceding the attack that would have greased the skids for bombs to be planted in the buildings.

"You do have the whole issue of the security cameras being disengaged, the bomb sniffing dogs being removed, the family ties with Bush - I mean if you smell a rotten fish there's probably a rotten fish somewhere around."

Steele's biography is impressive. He was the second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988-1992. Steele is a former clandestine services case officer for the Central Intelligence Agency.

He is the founder and president of Open Source Solutions, Inc., and is an acknowledged expert on computer and information vulnerabilities. Steele holds graduate degrees in International Relations and Public Administration from Leigh University and the University of Oklahoma. He has also earned certificates in Intelligence Policy from Harvard University and in Defense Studies from the Naval War College.

Before the 2004 election Steele advocated the re-election of George W Bush and he has been cited by numerous Republican luminaries as a credible source. His testimony is added to the chorus of other credible 9/11 whistleblowers both in and out of government and academia.

Steele raised eyebrows when he confirmed from his contacts within the CIA and Google that Google was working in tandem with "the agency," a claim made especially volatile by the fact that Google was recently caught censoring Alex Jones' Terror Storm and has targeted other websites for blackout in the past.

"I think that Google has made a very important strategic mistake in dealing with the secret elements of the U.S. government - that is a huge mistake and I'm hoping they'll work their way out of it and basically cut that relationship off," said the ex-CIA man.

"Google was a little hypocritical when they were refusing to honor a Department of Justice request for information because they were heavily in bed with the Central Intelligence Agency, the office of research and development," said Steele.

Steele called for more scrutiny to be placed on Google if it continues to engage in nefarious practices, saying, "If Google is indeed starting to do harm then I think it's important that be documented and ublicized."

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To: TobagoJack who wrote (58677)10/27/2006 7:00:08 PM
From: Broken_Clock
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read past the headlines TJ:

"If only what U posted wasn't the truth."

That was sarcastic 'rothflmao!'

Sometimes They Tell the Truth:

"The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist -- McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell-Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies is called the US Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps."

-- Thomas Friedman, "A Manifesto for the Fast World", New York Times Magazine, March 28, 1999

"We have 50 percent of the world's wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population. . . In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will allow us to maintain this position of disparity. We should cease to talk about the raising of the living standards, human rights, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

-- George Kennan, Director of Policy Planning of the U.S. Dept. of State, 1948

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933 by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC

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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (58679)10/27/2006 7:04:13 PM
From: TobagoJack
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oops :0)

i am sorry for my instant shoot to kill and ask a lot of questions response :0))

i am on a mission between now and nov 7th :0)))

although i do prefer dealing with republicans on a business to business basis, sympathise with the libertarians, and yet, strangely, can find no place for dems in my heart of hearts.

buy, hey, it isn't even my country, but everyone with a dollar bill is an electorate in this globalized world <ng>

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To: loantech who wrote (58635)10/27/2006 7:21:49 PM
From: TobagoJack
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<<Good points by both TJ and Uncle B... Faults on both sides. Let's just stop the killings. Let's just get along. Let's hope for wiser days ahead.

No more invasions, no more "forced" democracy no more killing no more repression>>

hear hear, ... but strangely, not satisfying. Just let me have a go at Uncle B first, 'democratize' him with enlightenment, even though we already are certifiably in the same political/economic quadrant, so that we can be EXACTLY of the same PRECISE outlook on EVERYTHING at ALL times, and then we can look to better days ahead :0))

Just having fun.
Cheers, J

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To: RealMuLan who wrote (58678)10/27/2006 7:38:58 PM
From: Sidney Reilly
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And people scoff at the suggestion that the press in the US is now largely controlled. They have the time and money and man power. Why not control public opinion through the media outlets. Wag the dog.

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