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To: mauser96 who wrote (1811)2/1/2006 12:26:20 AM
From: Clappy   of 2937
 
My candidate for the next innovation - robotics.

Got a basket of companies?

The one I've been following the most is IRBT.

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To: Clappy who wrote (1812)2/4/2006 11:00:48 AM
From: mauser96   of 2937
 
No basket yet, though I'm working on it. I would prefer a company like IRBT that sells directly to the consumer, because that's where the biggest money is likely to be made, and because it's easier to understand the product and it's users. I can buy a consumer robot myself and thus don't have to depend on second or third hand information. The Roomba got great test ratings in the 3/06 issue of Consumer Reports. Unfortunately the copy verbiage written to describe Roomba is less enthusiastic. Apparently the copy writer hacks don't talk to the technicians actually doing the test. Or maybe they just find it easier to write the copy before the test results are in. I have 2 Roombas and can confirm that they really clean well. In fact I have one vacuuming for me as I type this.
Though it's not exactly a robot, I also like and own Intuitive Surgical. Within the next few years almost all urological surgery will be done with the da Vinci, since it's overwhelmingly superior to classic open surgery.

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From: Apollo2/6/2006 3:17:26 PM
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ISRG.......

pulling back. but what price represents reasonable value?

interesting post from Yahoo board today; sounds credible.

"I am a gynecologist performing advanced laparoscopic surgery for the past 15 years (also an investor in ISRG since the day that I first received my DaVinci training). The gyn market for the robot is significant, but it will not replace a large percentage of the hysterectomy market. The majority of hysterectomies are performed for symptomatic large fibroids. Most of these cases I perform with a laparoscopic approach, but even I still need to perform some of these procedures abdominally. The robot is truly amazing (with its outstanding optics and instrument manipulation), but has significant limitations over standard laparoscopy when dealing with large specimens. The robot simply gets in the way.

In gyn the robot will be used for pelvic reconstruction, oncologic surgery, and selected myomectomies and hysterectomies. I am currently using the robot on approximately 20% of my major gyn cases. There will be steady growth in the gyn market, as there will be in the general surgery market as well.

The key fact as an investor in this company is that virtually every hospital in the US will need to have atleast one robot. The hospital business is very competitive and no hospital(of any sig size) will be without one. The growth for this company over the next few years will continue to be outstanding regardless of the slightly disappointing guidance for the next quater. This company is still in the early phase of its growth cycle. "


Apollo

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To: Apollo who wrote (1814)2/6/2006 3:40:47 PM
From: briank   of 2937
 
I got this off Fidelity Site. Will this be a good buying op?

Intuitive investing
1:09 p.m. 02/06/2006 By Herb Greenberg Provided by


Also, crow-eating time? And Hoku on the hook
SAN DIEGO (MarketWatch) -- Despite reporting blowout numbers, Intuitive Surgical took a hit last week after mentioning on its conference call that sales would slip as customers delayed "purchasing decisions."

The knee-jerk slide of 8% to 10% (depending on the time of day, Friday) is yet another reminder what happens when stocks valued for invincibility in a "monkey see, monkey do" type market prove just how invincible they aren't.

Never mind that in this case the purchasing delay may be caused by a good thing: The company is rolling out a next-generation version of its Da Vinci surgery robot, which at around $1.5 million is about 50% more than its predecessor. That's a lot of money!

A delay today, however, could lead to a jump-starting of sales tomorrow or later in the year, which would then reinvigorate the momentum. I say "could" because hospitals have to decide whether the new Da Vinci is worth the hefty premium.

While it's good from a public relations standpoint for a hospital to say it has the latest and greatest, as in a surgical robot, the Da Vinci still hasn't proven overly popular among surgeons. On average, last quarter, the machine was used only 25 times per quarter per hospital, according to several analyst reports. That utilization rate is critical, because each procedure uses disposable instruments, which last quarter accounted for 29% of revenues.

That means the lion's share of growth came from machine sales, which could become vulnerable if prospective customers start weighing the importance of the machine for P.R. purposes over financial prudence and the reality of its use.

Put another way, unless the utilization rate shows a sharp bounce, any falloff in machine sales could take a big slice out of Intuitive's (ISRG) overall growth. My guess (and it's only a hunch) is that such a falloff won't happen this year, especially if the company gets a second-half surge from new sales. But when it does -- and it will, unless (perish the thought!) the expected second-half surge never happens, in which case all bets are off -- investors should treat the stock's recent jitters as a tame tease of what's to come.

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To: Apollo who wrote (1814)2/8/2006 10:14:22 AM
From: alanrs   of 2937
 
re ISRG

I've traded very small amounts around 128, 117,102, and now own it at 99.50 and may buy a little more today if it keeps dropping. I realize that the market (in time) will let me know what it's worth by forming a bottom and yada yada yada. In the mean time, do you have a rough feel for what it's worth to you?

TIA

ARS

Wanted to add that I like the product and I like their market position. Don't know yet if I like the company or the stock.

My read of the chart says it could very well go to 70, with a possible floor at around 88, although I am not well versed in technical analysis, and am obviously not using it in my little forays to date.

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To: alanrs who wrote (1816)2/8/2006 11:37:18 AM
From: Apollo   of 2937
 
ISRG.....compared with Qcom

My overall take, which is based on only general and limited knowledge, and following a couple of message boards, and talking to a few docs.............is the following:

1. This ain't the time to buy.
stockcharts.com 

2. This is a gorilla as it relates to the niche of Urologic surgery. Strong competitive advantage, increasing rapid adoption, stickiness once involved as surgeons don't like to have to radically change approaches; once turned on to robotics, they will drag their feet before adopting the next new technique, unless the evidence drives them overwhelmingly to do so.

3. I like the idea of recurring revenues thru sales of accessories.

4. However, while some tout its utility in the larger potential spaces of cardiac surgery, general surgery and gynecology, in truth, I have personally seen "zero" evidence that robotics improve outcomes in these fields, such that their will be a drive in sales of their device for these indications.

So, at present, the reason to invest in ISRG, when it bottoms, is because only about 20% or so of the Urologic niche has been filled, and there are relative gains to be made in revenues from this niche. So I would roughly project 2-3 years of substantive growth for this niche alone. I do think robotics feature a certain WOW factor, and hospitals in congested markets are desperate to distinguish themselves from the herd.

However, if gyn and other niches don't unfold, the WOW will diminish, and the market, which is projecting future returns, will factor this into the share price, which might then turn this into a slow-growth company/stock.

By analogy, QCOM owned the CDMA 2000 2G niche, both in royalties and in chip sales. 1999 spectacular growth was based on this. However, it took a long time for 3G to unfold; 2.5G, or 1X, did beef up revenues, but that took longer to unfold too. Still the stock reflected these anticipated and unfolding events in 2003, and 2004. Now, we are waiting for the reality of 3G to unfold, as we know it must. What we don't know is the rate of change or the pace of adoption; we also don't know what fraction of WCDMA chip uptake will be enjoyed by Qcom. These unknowns have kept the stock price flat this past year, IMHO. When these become knowns, and coupled with increasing 3G uptake, Qcom stock price will leg up again. I just don't know when that'll be.

So the comparison I am making here is that qcom is a "many-trick" pony. Whereas, Sir Dancelot and others in the glory days would appropriately ponder whether ISRG is a "one-trick" pony.

Lucius should chime in here. Luke, do you have first hand knowledge, or do you have evidence based experience/studies that show ISRG has a patient outcome edge in other fields (ie, bowling pins) besides that of Urology?

Apollo

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To: Apollo who wrote (1817)2/8/2006 12:00:52 PM
From: John Carragher   of 2937
 
added some at $100.50 yesterday cannot fit anymore qcom in sock. g

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To: John Carragher who wrote (1818)2/8/2006 12:06:40 PM
From: alanrs   of 2937
 
Exactly. QCOM out weighs ISRG roughly 35 to one, even with the little add at 96.30 an hour ago.

ARS

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From: Thomas Mercer-Hursh2/8/2006 3:08:57 PM
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Any one here reading or have read Dealing With Darwin?

Know of any forums where it is being discussed?

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To: alanrs who wrote (1816)2/11/2006 11:52:00 AM
From: Bridge Player   of 2937
 
<<Wanted to add that I like the product and I like their market position. Don't know yet if I like the company or the stock.>>

May I suggest that listening to the latest cc from their website may assist you in judging the quality of the company and the calibre of their management.

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