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To: Gottfried who wrote (9502)2/22/2001 9:34:22 PM
From: Running Bull   of 10914
 
Gottfried

Those charts are wonderful..But they make me feel like such a stupid piece of s**t for being full invested in this sector. All I can do is wait for it to turn.

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To: Running Bull who wrote (9503)2/22/2001 9:42:33 PM
From: Gottfried   of 10914
 
RB, if you can wait a year or two you will look very smart.
Most stocks in the sector gain several hundred percent from cycle bottom to top.

And I'm no cheerleader. :)

Gottfried

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To: Cary Salsberg who started this subject2/23/2001 6:11:17 AM
From: scott_jiminez   of 10914
 
At a time when the consensus appears to be...

no substantive recovery until 2002, there were a number of interesting items appearing yesterday. My presentation of these items may be construed as a wholly pathological request for replies which will indicate why all of this evidence should be ignored.

1. Sue Billat sees an equipment sector turnaround in 2H, 2001: public.wsj.com  The article concludes. 'If things pick up for chip makers in the second half, as analysts predict, equipment suppliers could start to see their orders pick up by late summer or sooner. The downturn "is not going to last all that long," Ms. Billat said.'

2. Leading economic indicators had an unexpectedly large rise in January. Economy has cooled but no sign of recession: biz.yahoo.com  Some quotes: a)``There's no question that we've hit an inflection point,'' Swonk said, adding that other data had already begun to point to an eventual recovery. ' b) ``The reality is that consumers' actions speak louder than words,'' Swonk said, adding that although the current financial situation of consumers has deteriorated slightly, it still remains ``well within expansion territory.' c) ``When you take an economy that's really not that bad and you give that much monetary stimulus and that much fiscal stimulus it's like you taking a fourth cup of coffee,'' he said.

3. Suppliers of equipment companies MAY already be seeing the earliest signs of a turnaround messages.yahoo.com 


I now return you to your regularly schedule doom and gloom (a.k.a. we're headed for a 'recession of the century' and no equipment recovery until mid-2002....or 2003...or...)

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To: scott_jiminez who wrote (9505)2/23/2001 2:58:43 PM
From: willcousa   of 10914
 
And I bought more intel today. Add to your list.

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To: Gottfried who wrote (9504)2/27/2001 11:40:47 PM
From: Michael Dunn   of 10914
 
The one bright spot in the sector!?

biz.yahoo.com 

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To: Cary Salsberg who started this subject3/1/2001 7:00:51 AM
From: scott_jiminez   of 10914
 
What's this? Sensible words from TSC?!?!

Article last night from Cramer et al. :

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'Tough Love: Greenspan Does the Right Thing by Not Giving In to the Market'
[ thestreet.com  ]

Some quotes,

'...by not giving the market what it wanted (for a change), Greenspan did the right thing -- even if it resulted in more short-term pain for most investors. Perhaps, like some troubled children, the market realized it needed some discipline and responded positively (albeit mutely and delayed) to the paddling. At 10,495.28, the Dow closed about 70 points above its intraday low, while the S&P 500 closed at 1239.94 vs. its nadir of 1229.65. The Comp's session low was 2127.50. '

'Had Greenspan suggested an intermeeting rate cut was imminent (and it may yet occur), a short-term rally would have resulted, but one ultimately doomed to fail -- as was the advance following the Fed's intermeeting cut on Jan. 3. Market participants would have then returned to the Fed once again, hat in hand. Every time the Fed participates in this dance, it reinforces the moral hazard dilemma, and risks losing more credibility. The really scary scenario occurs when investors totally lose faith in the Fed's ability to stem declines, economic or market.'

' "Greenspan is being sensible, and his approach to monetary policy is even-handed and reflects conditions that don't necessitate a panic," said Doug Kass, general partner at Seabreeze Partners in Palm Beach, Fla. "In a perverse way, I view his inaction positively as it implies a more solid economy than previously thought."
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Amazing where you'll find pearls of truth sometimes!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled despair...

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To: Cary Salsberg who started this subject3/4/2001 9:54:56 AM
From: scott_jiminez   of 10914
 
Chip Equipment 21-Feb-01 08:41 ET [BRIEFING.COM - Robert J. Reid]

In the game of Battleship, the point is to bomb your opponent's ships before yours are bombed. While you cannot see where your opponent's ships are, the more you bomb, the more you get the feeling that you're close. In the chip equipment industry, it's difficult to predict a bottom but here you can also get a sense that you are close.

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Our Take on (the January BtB data)

The chip equipment makers trade in cycles. The stocks generally bottom 4-6 months ahead of the trough in orders. The risk is in predicting the bottom. For those not in the chip equipment stocks, Applied Material's recent guidance of a 30% decline in sales and bookings for Apr Q was a good sign that we are getting close to a bottom. Historically, chip equipment stocks trade strongly from the trough sequential sales quarter to their peak sequential sales quarter. For example, AMAT doubled from trough sequential sales in AprQ97 to AprQ98. From AprQ99 to JulQ00, the stock more than doubled from trough to peak sequential sales quarters.

So why invest in an industry with declining fundamentals? At current prices, we believe investors have already factored in weak January bookings and are expecting weak numbers for the rest of the first half of the year. As the year progresses, we believe investors are likely to look past the current downturn and focus on the next upcycle. Accordingly, we expect that many of these stocks are at or near their troughs.

Historically, orders have declined 60% peak to trough on average in past cycles. To date, orders have declined 37% in 3 months making it likely that the book-to-bill indicator is still on the decline. If history is any indication, orders should bottom in the September quarter. However, the decline in orders in this cycle is much faster and steeper than previous cycles. As a result, there is no guarantee that history will be repeated Since the market generally discounts 4-6 months out, the sector should begin to perform well in the relatively near future.

Also, we expect end user demand to improve in the second half of the year and 2002. Don't read as much into the slowing pace of PC sales to the chip space. While PCs make up a significant part of the market for chips, chip demand is becoming less PC-centric than in the past as more uses for chips materialize including communications, appliances and automobiles etc.

Risks

First, January may not be the bottom of the book-to-bill chart. Q1 and Q2. Given consensus expectations of a 15%-20% decline in chip equipment spending in 2001 coupled with the 30%-35% decline in bookings for Q1 guided by front end equipment companies such as AMAT, NVLS, and LRCX, there will likely not be a rebound in February and March as bookings are expected to decline further. Historically, the group has had false rallies at similar points on the book-to-bill continuum.

Second, the valuations on the stocks are not exactly bargain basement relative to past cycles. The front end equipment companies are trading at forward p/e's over 20x. While these are still lower than other tech bellwethers, they are still a bit high given the horrible industry conditions in the chip equipment space. With investors suddenly concerned about high multiple tech stocks, that's a potential concern. Third, lowered spending forecasts by the chip companies going forward could act as negative catalysts.

Conclusion

This is not a science. It's a bit of an art with some witchcraft thrown in. Our point is that it's tough to predict a bottom, but the data is getting pretty bad. If you're not in the sector, the more bad news, the better. How the stocks react today to the January data will be a key to gauging investor sentiment on how willing they are to overlook the expectation of continued bad news. Hopefully soon, investors will simply discount the bad news and not sell their holdings. When the group begins to hold up even in the face of bad data, that's the time to pick up the shares.

Bottom line, the sector is a good place to be for 12-month and certainly 18-month price appreciation. Could the stocks decline another 25%? Sure. However, it's a sector within the tech arena that will come back -- it's just a matter of time. People are beginning to realize that technology companies are cyclical. The outlook is bleak for the sector, but these stocks are not going out of business. They will be around a decade from now. While our favorites include NVLS, LRCX, KLAC, and KLIC, below are some additional chip equipment names to consider...

(see article)
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www2.briefing.com 

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To: Cary Salsberg who started this subject3/4/2001 12:57:04 PM
From: Qualified Opinion   of 10914
 
ASML warns > Link:

quote.bloomberg.com 

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To: Cary Salsberg who started this subject3/4/2001 1:06:39 PM
From: Qualified Opinion   of 10914
 
Cymer warns > Link:

siliconinvestor.com

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To: scott_jiminez who wrote (9509)3/4/2001 2:34:08 PM
From: John Trader   of 10914
 
Scott, I posted the following on the MDD thread today, FWIW. In that message is another link to a post I made on the AMAT thread which may be of some interest.

I sure hope we are at or near the bottom in the tech stocks at this point.

John

Message 15446038

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