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To: selivanov who wrote (86593)9/19/2007 5:30:23 PM
From: bart132 Recommendations   of 109991
 
"Economics exists to make astrology look respectable."
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-- Joan Robinson, Cambridge University

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To: redfrecknj who wrote (86573)9/19/2007 5:30:30 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor   of 109991
 
I've got his "benevolent hand" right here!

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Stewart: So we’re not a free market then.

Greenspan: No. No.

Stewart: There’s a visible – there’s a benevolent hand that touches us.

Greenspan: Absolutely. You’re quite correct. To the extent that there is a central bank governing the amount of money in the system, that is not a free market. Most people call it regulation.

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To: Mike Johnston who wrote (86584)9/19/2007 5:33:48 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor   of 109991
 
>>Fannie Mae would be able to add $12 billion of mortgage assets under the new rules, and Freddie Mac would be able to buy $22 billion, Credit Suisse Group analysts Moshe Orenbuch and Kerry Hueston, based in New York, said today in a report.<<

Nice, that's another 34 billion that We the Sheeple will have to come up with to bail 'em out!<NG>

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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (86609)9/19/2007 5:44:06 PM
From: russwinter   of 109991
 
Only $34 billion in new holdings in a year is pretty tame considering the multitude of problem (only conforming mortgages are being made). Of course with housing down 15%, that's more to go around. FCBs have bought few agencies in the last two months, definitely a different tenor.

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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (86608)9/19/2007 5:58:02 PM
From: CalculatedRisk7 Recommendations   of 109991
 
Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
telegraph.co.uk 

Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

"This is a very dangerous situation for the dollar," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas.

Saudi Arabia has $800bn (£400bn) in their future generation fund, and the entire region has $3,500bn under management. They face an inflationary threat and do not want to import an interest rate policy set for the recessionary conditions in the United States," he said.

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To: Mike Johnston who wrote (86590)9/19/2007 6:13:40 PM
From: lifeisgood   of 109991
 
There are trillions of units of Bernanke's confetti everywhere.

Actually, there is only about $42 billion of actual confetti. The rest is digital 1's with lots of zeros behind them.

best...

LIG

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To: lifeisgood who wrote (86612)9/19/2007 6:27:38 PM
From: orkrious1 Recommendation   of 109991
 
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# depressionbaby@Bernanke -- trotsky, 10:57:47 09/19/07 Wed
i for one think he's a monetary crank. i've read some of his papers, and listened closely to his speeches. his 'analysis' of the Great Depression - allegedly his 'specialty' - is wrong from A to Z. he seems to have missed Rothbard's book on it, not to mention that he is actually misrepresenting the facts about the Fed's pumping efforts in the post 1929 period. either he's not aware of these facts or he is deliberately misleading about them, either way his conclusions sound like a major disaster-in-the-making.
meanwhile, the Weimar episode brought us Hitler, and in his wake one of the biggest slaughter-fests the world has ever seen. even though i despise the New Dealer commie FDR, he sure didn't do as much harm as the National Socialists.

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# meanwhile on the political/ police state front -- trotsky, 10:48:54 09/19/07 Wed
the 'simian currently defiling the White House' as W. Grigg so fittingly calls him, wants to make 'federal eaves-dropping rules' 'permanent'. as if their had ever been any rules he respected in the first place.
this outrage rates barely a mention in the press of the land of the already-unfree-even-if-they-haven't-realized-it-yet.
i'm not sure what historians will call this period one day - maybe 'the age of Goering's last laugh'?

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# @ Barrick, etc. -- trotsky, 10:37:16 09/19/07 Wed
i am no big fan of the ueber-hedger, and never have been. i think their hedging policy has always been a major strategic mistake, and it sure has cost them more to get out from much of it than they ever made with it in the first place (and they still have about 10m. oz. of gold hedged at nonsense prices, plus umpteen tons of silver - so it will ultimately cost them even more).
however, what Fekete recently wrote about that is imo nonsense pure. ABX has incurred vast opportunity costs, has taken on foolish risks and so forth, but to argue that their dip-in-the-bucket hedge sales could influence the gold market in any way shape or form sort of lays bare that the author knows very little about the gold market.
if ABX decided to sell short 10m. oz. tomorrow , the London bullion market alone could absorb this kind of volume in about three to four trading days.
it is of course true that ABX's and others hedging policies in the late 90's helped to intensify the bearish psychology in the gold market at the time. however, they sure didn't cause it - they were just swept up in the same bearish mood as everybody else. it was always clear that one day, this would cost them dearly, as it indeed has.
the days of gold forward sales serving as a funding source for carry trade purposes have been over for years now. it's no use anymore to obsess over this.
here's the chart that shows what a 'great job' (not) the alleged manipulators have done:

tfc-charts.w2d.com 

and still the Sinclairs and Murphies of this world are going on and on about it every time the market as much as twitches (i.e. falls by a few bucks). isn't it time to move on to more rewarding topics? admittedly the governments of this world manipulate their currencies, and it stands to reason that they don't like to see the indictment a higher gold price brings. they may well time their central bank sales in a vain attempt to 'slow it down', but what can they really do? they already tried this openly in the 60's and 70's and failed miserably. the market is bigger than any purported manipulator - always has been, always will be.

@Fed's move -- trotsky, 10:17:49 09/19/07 Wed
well, yesterday Bernanke has given us incontrovertible proof that he's not a 'second Volcker' (as some people had begun to aver in various places) - but rather Greenspan on steroids. the message: it's o.k. to speculate folks - we will always err on the side of inflating even more.
rarely have Fed rate cut campaigns begun with a 50 bip bang. it's usually a bad sign (the two previous occasions over the past 20 yrs. were precursors to recession).
from our perspective, this has confirmed gold's long term bull market status. the crises shaking up the fractional reserves system will likely increase in both frequency and severity as the global mountain of debt grows ever more , and we have once again proof that the central banks will 'paper over' every problem. what they say is irrelevant (see the BoE's Mervin King, who argues that CBs shouldn't bail anyone out one day, and then bails out Northern Rock the next - plus agreeing to a blanket guarantee for ALL bank depositors in the entire UK system! next time a monetary bureaucrat yammers on about 'moral hazard' , remember this shameful episode).
meanwhile, Congress has passed a huge bail-out bill for underwater sub-prime borrowers, once again underscoring that financial prudence will be punished, and recklessness rewarded by the State. tax payer sheep should be up in arms, alas, they will keep quiet as usual.
it is anyway already too late - folly has been rewarded so many times, it's already a nation of fools (not that the rest of the world is any better, mind you).
back to our topic, gold: it's ok to speculate. at least we have a way of protecting ourselves a bit against all these depredations from the bureaucrats.

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To: orkrious who wrote (86613)9/19/2007 7:14:44 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor1 Recommendation   of 109991
 
This headline from marketwatch says it all (in flaming red letters no less!)

marketwatch.com 

The 'Bernake Put' Lives On

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To: glenn_a who wrote (86534)9/19/2007 7:26:10 PM
From: jimbopost   of 109991
 
Economic Jihad - It hardly seems necessary for there to be an economic jihad when we seem to be quite capable of destroying ourselves economically.

Regards, Jim

The Battle... Is Economic Rather than Military’ – An Economically Oriented Concept of Jihad Emerges in Islamist Discourse
By: E. Alshech
memri.org 
September 11, 2007 No.387

Introduction
The concept of jihad, dating back to the earliest stages of Islam, has always been open to various interpretations. Since Islamic sources define jihad in very broad terms, Muslims have, throughout Islamic history, been able to transform and extend its meaning according to their specific perceptions and needs. This document focuses on a concept of jihad that has been emerging for some time in Islamist discourse, as is evident in Islamist forums and websites. In this permutation, jihad is perceived as being aimed primarily at undermining the Western economy, particularly the U.S. economy, with the ultimate goal of bringing about the total collapse of the West. [1] In practical terms, this concept of jihad does not pose an immediate and substantial danger to Western economy. However, it nonetheless merits attention, since it represents a broadening of the boundaries of jihad, and widens the circle of people who can potentially be involved in jihadist activity.

“The Destruction of Its Economy Will Cause the U.S. to... Disappear Like the Soviet Union”
Islamist websites rarely engage in comprehensive theoretical discussions about the overall goals of global jihad. However, postings on this topic that occasionally appear on Islamist forums provide crucial insight into the Islamists’ understanding of their struggle against the West. For example, an article posted on www.alhesbah.org in 2003, by an individual named Abu Mus’ab, stated that the key to defeating the U.S. is to weaken its economy: “No reasonable person can deny the United States’ military, economic and technological power... [However, both the U.S.’s] technological research and its military forces depend on the economy. [Consequently,] the destruction of its economy will cause the U.S. to disintegrate, collapse, and disappear, just like the Soviet Union. [2] Therefore, studying America’s economy is [even more crucial] than examining its military forces...” [3]

“The Primary Goal of [Al-Qaeda’s] War Against America... Is to Defeat it Economically”
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To: westpacific who wrote (86579)9/19/2007 7:51:00 PM
From: $Mogul2 Recommendations   of 109991
 
I now really beleive that our country is led by utter morons.
They want to bash Greenspan for leaving rates too low and cutting too many times, and not this Fed cuts rates to do the same thing??? Talk about hypocrites. Sicking, and repulsive.
Helicopter Ben deserves the recession coming, just for being a the leaderof the total morons.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Reaching out to hard-hit
borrowers in the subprime-mortgage market, the House
on Tuesday passed a bill that lowers down payments for borrowers, raises loan limits and boosts funds for housing counseling.
Passed by a vote of 348 to 72, the bill reforms the
Federal Housing Administration and is the latest
lifeline thrown to borrowers from Washington as the
fallout in the mortgage market continues.
About two million loans are expected to reset to
higher rates in the next two years, with defaults
expected to follow. Congress and the White House have
floated various proposals to stem the damage.
The bill directs up to $300 million a year into an
affordable housing fund. A motion offered by Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, to kill the fund was rejected.
'We do not have a general program for helping build
affordable family housing, and that's what this bill
would do.'
— Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass
"We do not have a general program for helping build
affordable family housing, and that's what this bill
would do," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the
chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.
Lawmakers also passed an amendment to the bill offered
by Frank that would raise the agency's loan limit from
its current $417,000 to as much as $729,750.
"Such an increase would ensure that FHA is a viable
option for borrowers who have payment option and
interest-only adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs), which
will be resetting in the next few years," said
Stanford Group Company analyst Jaret Seiberg.
However, the Bush administration has registered
opposition to that and other key parts of the House
bill.
"The program should remain targeted to traditionally underserved homebuyers, such as low- and moderate-income families," the White House said in a statement on Monday.
The National Association of Mortgage Brokers supported
the amendment raising the loan limit.
"Because FHA has been driven from those parts of the
country where consumers are most in need of affordable financing, such as California, millions of borrowers have been forced to turn to high-cost financing and other non-traditional loan products," wrote NAMB President George Hanzimanolis, in a letter to lawmakers.
The bill eliminates down payment requirements on FHA
loans. The requirement is currently 3%.
Some Republicans opposed the housing fund. "A better
approach is to dedicate the FHA surplus to shoring up
the financial solvency" of an agency program, said
Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala. Frank, however, said that
no money would go to the trust fund until FHA solvency
was certified.
The Senate Banking Committee is scheduled to debate
its own FHA bill on Wednesday. President Bush would
need to sign a final version for the bill to become
law.
In separate action on Tuesday, the House Financial
Services Committee approved a bill granting new
authority to the FDIC and the Office of the
Comptroller of the Currency to write rules against
deceptive lending practices. Traditionally only the
Federal Reserve has had such powers. The bill would
need to be approved by the House and the Senate to
become law.
Tuesday's House vote came as the Fed unanimously voted
to cut its overnight interest rate target by a half
percentage point to 4.75%, citing turmoil in financial
markets as a threat to economic growth. See full
story.
"The tightening of credit conditions has the potential
to intensify the housing correction and to restrain
economic growth more generally," the central bank said
in its statement Tuesday.

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