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To: bearshark who wrote (278482)11/3/2008 10:54:40 PM
From: Ruffian
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We'll get a chance to see if his constituents prefer their dignity over pork. Murtha has done a great job for his constituents--porkwise anyway.

Oh well, I'm talking to myself now.

He should be tried for Sedition, based upon what he said about Our Marines..............

He is a FAT Porker, agree............

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To: JustLearning who wrote (278475)11/3/2008 10:56:08 PM
From: goldworldnet
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Any philosophy that doesn't accept that good and evil exist can rationalize any action.

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To: goldworldnet who wrote (278473)11/3/2008 11:05:44 PM
From: bearshark
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Murtha may soon be out of a job and Obama heading back to the senate thanks to the people of Pennsylvania.

It would be nice to see the residents of Murtha's southwestern PA district vote him out. They would be choosing their personal integrity over pork.

In regard to the presidential election, there are 500,000 new registered Democrats in PA over the past year. Of these 500,000, there are about 100,000 new Democrats in Philadelphia. Some of these may be bogus altogether while others may have been Republicans registering as Democrats to vote for Hilary--and against the Obaman--during the primary.

However, Kerry won PA by 3 percent--I think it was that much--with fewer Democrats. This time, the Obaman is much, much more popular than Kerry in Democrat strongholds.

Now me, I'm a Blue Dog Democrat who will vote for a Republican to be President for the second time in my life. In fact, I'll vote the entire ticket because I loathe the Obaman.

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To: bearshark who wrote (278487)11/3/2008 11:13:19 PM
From: goldworldnet
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The obvious question here is whether you voted for Kerry? If you voted for Kerry and can't stand Obama, then it is an encouraging sign many others like yourself are out there.

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To: Ruffian who wrote (278485)11/3/2008 11:22:05 PM
From: bearshark
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He should be tried for Sedition, based upon what he said about Our Marines

I didn't appreciate Murtha when he did that either. I think it was this morning, he stated that defense systems should be cut back so the new President's social programs could move forward.

Murtha is Chairman of the Subcommittee on Defense of the House Committee on Appropriations. Its pretty sad when that position wants to roll over for social spending.

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To: goldworldnet who wrote (278488)11/3/2008 11:33:34 PM
From: bearshark
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The obvious question here is whether you voted for Kerry?

Yes, I voted for Kerry and held my nose. Unfortunately, I believe many of the "new Democrats" are real and are fervent supporters of the Obaman.

I've declared defeat.

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To: ahhaha who wrote (278484)11/3/2008 11:38:26 PM
From: LindyBill
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Between Philosophy and Physics I have kept us off-subject long enough today. Thanks for the input, everybody. Better that than politics, which will be over by this time tomorrow.

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To: bearshark who wrote (278490)11/3/2008 11:46:30 PM
From: goldworldnet
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Time will tell. However, this election is not going to unite the country by any means no matter what. Not only are Obama lovers voting in droves, but millions of people who normally skip elections are going to reject Obama and make the time to vote against him.

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From: LindyBill11/3/2008 11:55:09 PM
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Slate took a poll, and they only have ONE person on staff who isn't a Liberal.

If Obama Loses, Who Gets Blamed?
His loss would be disastrous for the media and political establishment.
By John Dickerson
Posted Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008, at 9:21 PM ET

CLEVELAND—If Barack Obama wins the election, it will be historic. And if he loses, it will be pretty historic, too: It would mark the biggest collective error in the history of the media and political establishment.

An Obama loss would mean the majority of pundits, reporters, and analysts were wrong. Pollsters would have to find a new line of work, since Obama has been ahead in all 159 polls taken in the last six weeks. The massive crowds that have regularly turned out to see Obama would turn out to have meant nothing. This collective failure of elites would provide such a blast of schadenfreude that Republicans like Rush Limbaugh would be struck speechless (another historic first).

This situation lends a feeling of unreality to the proceedings as we begin to measure the time until Election Day in hours. It is the elephant on the campaign plane. No one is letting on. Journalists aren't supposed to. Plus, we've been wrong so often, and politics can be so unpredictable, it would be dumb to say that Obama is going to win big.

John McCain is still running hard, and Obama isn't doing any premature celebrating. Members of his staff are on a hair-trigger for any stories that might suggest he or they are displaying overconfidence. Aides said Obama was reacting to the apparent good news with trademark equilibrium though they did say he was happy to be at the end of his journey. "He's exhilarated," said David Axelrod. "He smells the finish line."

Despite Obama's even keel, there are a few small signs that suggest Obama is feeling good. He's flashing that magazine-cover smile, the one that takes over his face, a little more often. On the stump, where he's given nearly the exact same speech for a week, he's started to show some of the looseness of his earlier campaign. "Don't be hoodwinked," he said of McCain's claims, a standard line, to which he added a less regular filigree: "Don't be bamboozled, don't fall for the okey-doke."

In Columbus, Ohio, Obama even gave a shout-out to McCain. Talking about the need to improve the political discourse, he said that also included the need for more humor. "John McCain was funny yesterday on Saturday Night Live," he said. "I didn't see it last night but I saw it on YouTube. That's what our politics should be about, the ability to laugh at ourselves."

Obama has had the most fun with Dick Cheney, who recently said he was "delighted" to endorse John McCain. "You've never seen Dick Cheney delighted, but he is," Obama told a crowd here, chuckling to himself. "It's kinda hard to picture, but it's true." He went on to congratulate McCain. "He had to work hard for it!" The rain started pouring in the middle of his Cheney routine, but Obama didn't miss a beat. "Did you notice that it all started when I started talking about Dick Cheney? We've been through a nation of storms but sunshine is on the way."

In Cleveland, Bruce Springsteen opened for Obama. When he was finished, the Obama family joined him, and Springsteen brought up his wife Patty Scialfa and their three kids. Suddenly it was like we were all in the vestibule of a holiday party as The One and The Boss implored their children to step forward and shake the hands.

When the rally in Cleveland concluded, Obama was drenched but lingered for a moment in front of the crowd, estimated at 80,000, and did a few tiny little dance steps to "Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours," the Stevie Wonder song that plays after each rally the minute he stops speaking.

It's hard to guess at a candidate's inner feelings. It is particularly hard with Obama, whose emotions are as carefully constrained as a bonsai tree and who keeps the press at a chilly distance. It could be that Obama is just happy to be with his family. Since Saturday, Obama's wife, Michelle, and children, Malia and Sasha, have been with him. The girls are clearly delighted to be in his company. At most stops, Michelle introduces her husband and implores the audience to help her husband finish the quest he started in their name 21 months ago. "I would love to give credit to my husband," she said, "but this race is not about him but all of us, all of you. He's taken us 85 percent of the way. The rest is on us."

Obama told the crowd in Cleveland that the family time is shaping his mood. "The last few days I've been feeling good," he said. "You start thinking that maybe we might win an election November 4."

Great: Now another American institution could be in peril: If Obama loses, we may have reason to doubt the power of family, too.
John Dickerson is Slate's chief political correspondent and author of On Her Trail. He can be reached at

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From: LindyBill11/3/2008 11:59:14 PM
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A Conversation With Bill O'Reilly
The Kid From Levittown-Turned-Fox News Host Tells His "Only In America" Story

(CBS) Bill O'Reilly's "The O'Reilly Factor" is a very big factor in the world of cable TV. Early Show anchor Harry Smith has prepared this Sunday Profile:
"Oh, none of this was your fault! Oh, no. People lost millions of dollars. It wasn't your fault. Come on, you coward! Say the truth!"

Bloviation … O'Reilly be thy name, as witnessed October 2, by guest Rep. Barney Frank.

"What do you mean 'coward'?" Frank asked.

"You're a coward," O'Reilly said. "You blame everybody else. You're a coward."

Bill O'Reilly is judge, jury and executioner on his Fox cable show. When reason fails ... rage wins:

"Number one, you hate your country. Number two, you're a loon!"

"Bill, here's the problem with going on your show: You start ranting. And the only way to respond is almost to look as boorish as you!" Frank said.

O'Reilly is right about everything … just ask him.

"The point I always try to make to people is, the people who hate me the most are the people who never watch my show," O'Reilly said to Smith. "They read the press. They listen to the far-left kooks or the far-right kooks, 'cause the far-right hates me. But they never sample. And once they do sample, they go, 'You know, this guy's no ideologue. He's holding them accountable.'"

"The O'Reilly Factor" and its "No-Spin Zone" has been at the top of the primetime cable news heap for the past eight years, with around four million loyal viewers a night.

Loyal because, he says, he's like them: A kid who was lucky to be born in America, a notion he explores in his latest book, "A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity" (Broadway Books).

"It's not particularly dramatic," Smith.

"No, no, it isn't; it's basically an American story," O'Reilly said. "But nowhere else on this planet could a wise guy from Levittown, with no uncle in the business, no social skills at all - I'm sure you'd agree - kiss nobody's butt ever, rise up and command the position that I command. That couldn't happen in Switzerland. It couldn't happen in Japan! It happens in America! And I'll tell you how ..."

Born in 1949, William James O'Reilly Jr. grew up in the New York City bedroom community of Levittown, an experience he says made him what he is today.

"As I read through this, you had a pretty comfortable life in Levittown," Smith said. "Dad had a job."

"I don't know if my life in Levittown was, now it is. We lived in a little box house with no air conditioning," he said. "I mean, it wasn't real comfortable in the middle of August when it was 112°. All right? And I was sweating. And I was eatin', you know, fish sticks and stuff. They weren't delicious, Harry. (laughs) So I don't, I'm not, you know …"

"I can't feel sorry for you!" Smith.

"I don't wanna ask you to," O'Reilly said. "But you gotta put it in perspective. Comfort really was like 16th on the priority list at the O'Reilly house."

"Sure. 'Food on that table' was number one."

"Yeah. Comfort? You know, my father would [say], you know, 'If it's hot, go outside!'" (laughs) You know?

"After World War II, the people in Brooklyn and the Bronx and some of the other boroughs moved en masse to Long Island because they built all these little houses for the GIs. My father was in that crew.

"So, you basically moved Brooklyn to Nassau County, Long Island. Well, it was a tough neighborhood. You know, you walk out, you had a fight. You had a fight. There were no play dates! (laugh) I wasn't wearing a little helmet on the bike. All right, there wasn't any, 'Mom! Mom!' It wasn't Beaver Cleaver. It was like, you know, you had to hold your own."

He survived, and after a brief career as a high school teacher, young Bill O'Reilly began a series of TV reporting jobs, including a stint at CBS in Miami.

In 1996, O'Reilly settled at the newly created Fox News, where he remains commentator-in-chief.

Every week, "O'Reilly Factor" staffers pitch segment ideas for his approval, like the library board in Helena, Mont., voting unanimously to keep the book "The Joy of Gay Sex" on the library shelves. ("It's not in the kids' section or anything, right?")

"What do you think happens if McCain gets elected president?" Smith asked.

"Not much — I think McCain is a traditional politician," O'Reilly said. "I think that he will keep the economy in a low tax grade. He'll be friendly to business because he wants business to expand, to employ more people. I think he'll be a tough guy overseas - not a crazy guy, but a tough guy. And I think he'll govern in a traditional manner. I'd go to the bank on that.

"If Obama's elected, I don't know what's gonna happen. His whole career has been left wing. Is he an ideologue? Is he gonna bring a far-left sensibility into the White House? My instinct says no, because he's cautious. When I interviewed him, I saw a very cautious guy. I didn't see some crazy bomb thrower. I can read people pretty well.

"So, I think he took the avenue to power that he had to take. I think he'll govern to the center like Clinton did. I think Clinton is his role model for governance. I think JFK is his role model for the campaign. And Obama has waged a brilliant campaign."

The most popular cable news host in the country has some very public enemies.

Take Keith Olbermann, who referred to O'Reilly as "Bill-O the Clown" on MSNBC's "Countdown," among other choice terms:

"The Fox News host presents himself as an independent. You know they could have also gone with 'Official Loofah Inspector,' or a 'Neilson Ratings Conspiracy Theorist,' or a 'Bold Fresh Piece of Expletive.'"

"What do you think of Keith Olbermann?" Smith asked.

"You know, I ignore all of those gutter snipes because they're just in it to hurt people," he said, "whether it's some guy on MSNBC or talk radio or wherever. Why would I engage that?"

"I think it bugs you a little bit," Smith said.

"Naah, the meanness of the discourse, in general, bothers me," O'reilly said. "Okay, now some people say, 'Well, you were mean to Barney Frank and you were mean to this one or that one.' Sometimes I go overboard, okay? But that's not my theme."

David Letterman bantered with O'Reilly on the subject: "Now, I joke about walking around and people say 'There he is ...get him!' But in your case it's true, isn't it?"

Letterman may have been only half-joking: O'Reilly says his views have made him a target.

"My life is dangerous now," he said. "You know, I have bodyguards and security. I can't go many places. I can't be in certain crowd situations. When I do a book signing, I gotta have a phalanx of state troopers there because there are crazy people. And then there're the Web sites and all of that, which are just totally out of control.

"They encourage these nuts. You know, I was thinking about John Lennon, you know, and John Lennon was tryin' to be a nice guy, signing the guy's thing and [Chapman] pops him. So, that is the worst part of the whole 'Factor' experience. The best part is I get to look out for the folks. And the folks know it. They know it. I've been doing this for more than 12 years.

"If you're a phony, they know."

In O'Reilly's case, you could take the boy out of Levittown, but you'd better not - no, you dare not even try to take the Levittown out of the boy.

"Do you know why you're so successful?" Smith asked.

"Yeah, I know, 'cause I'm one of the folks, that's why, and because I look out for them and they know that," O'Reilly said. "We had six million people watch us last night. And they know that now in the media there's somebody on their side, sincerely on their side, not some phony. So, why wouldn't you watch the guy like that?" LINK

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