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To: ponokee who wrote (10408)4/3/2012 11:37:06 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 11035
 
Do Argentines speak spanish by any chance? Giggle... and they whine about colonialism. <But Argentina's Foreign Ministry said Cameron's comments reflect "persistent glorification of colonialism." > Some history for Cristina: en.wikipedia.org 

Was it really? <President Cristina Fernandez's government said in its statement on Tuesday that it was wrong for Britain to expel Argentines from the islands in 1833. > Or were they Spanish Conquistadores trying to occupy the islands?

Rewinding history 200 years is stretching things a little Cristina.

Mqurice

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (10409)4/4/2012 12:03:28 AM
From: ponokee   of 11035
 
I understand a canoe load Amerindians visited the place in 1109 but decided it was not to their liking.

Britain has solid claim to the area by occupation, by a defensive war and by the wishes of the inhabitants.

I'm sure seizing a few off-shore bank accounts of their politicos would turn the tide very quickly against combat.

en.wikipedia.org 

It is a colony in the truest and best sense of the word.

col·o·ny/'käl?ne/


Noun:
A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from... A group of people living in such a country or area, consisting of the original settlers and their descendants and successors.

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To: ponokee who wrote (10410)4/4/2012 12:41:17 AM
From: Maurice Winn4 Recommendations   of 11035
 
Yes, Falklands Islands is a colony of UK. If Argentina took over, it would be a colony of Argentina.

The local yokels think it's better to be a colony of Great Britain, or even not-so-great Britain.

The Argentinians think the locals should not have such a choice. The Argentines want to conquer the place in the atavistic barbarian style of yore, doing a real job of colonizing.

Mqurice

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (10411)4/6/2012 12:05:43 PM
From: teevee   of 11035
 
The Falklands were defended by Thatcher because the thinking of the day was there might be another "North Sea" oil bonanza around the islands. The first round of drilling was a bust, and it wasn't long thereafter that Britain quietly tried negotiating with Argentina to take the Falklands back, however, being such a large liability, Argentine asked for compensation!!!!.......now that the possibility of oil is back on the table, the Falklands are of interest again to the Britain. If Britain ever rights off the oil prospects, the Falklands will be gone so fast it will make your head spin......

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To: teevee who wrote (10412)4/6/2012 1:34:03 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 11035
 
You misunderestimate Maggie: <

The Falklands were defended by Thatcher because the thinking of the day was there might be another "North Sea" oil bonanza around the islands
>

The defence was because she knew about Nazis and how you have to stop criminal thugs when they first move. Not oil. She never gave "There is likely loads of oil" as a reason for evicting the criminal invaders.

Mqurice

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (10413)4/6/2012 1:37:44 PM
From: teevee   of 11035
 
and that is politics....I rest my case.

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To: teevee who wrote (10414)4/6/2012 1:52:58 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 11035
 
What case? I missed it sorry. < that is politics....I rest my case. > The basic point of politics is mutual self-defence. Association as a territorial entity. It seemed your case was that UK defeated Argentina to get the oil. What oil?

Mqurice

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (10415)4/6/2012 2:35:21 PM
From: teevee1 Recommendation   of 11035
 
Perhaps you are not familiar with the historical and current off shore drilling activity around the Falkland Islands?

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From: kumar rangan4/6/2012 3:46:12 PM
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If u believe this, theres a bridge for sale....

timesofindia.indiatimes.com 

Hafiz Saeed helping de-radicalise militants: PakistanReuters | Apr 6, 2012, 09.38PM IST



ISLAMABAD: Islamist leader Hafiz Saeed who had a $10 million American bounty placed on his head this week has been helping Pakistan de-radicalise militants under efforts to stabilise the strategic US ally, a top Pakistani counter-terrorism official said on Friday.

Saeed, suspected of masterminding an attack by Pakistan-based gunmen on Mumbai in 2008 that killed 166 people, including six Americans, met government officials from the Punjab province and pledged his support for the drive, the official said.

"Hafiz Saeed has agreed with the Punjab government programme of de-radicalisation and rehabilitation of former jihadis and extended full cooperation," the counter-terrorism official said.

The counter-terrorism official said that Saeed had not been paid for his de-radicalisation acitivities.

US officials in Washington said the decision to offer the reward under the State Department's longstanding "Rewards for Justice" program came after months of discussions among US agencies involved in counter-terrorism.

The $10 million figure signifies major US interest in Saeed. Only three other militants, including Taliban leader Mullah Omar, fetch that high a bounty. There is a $25 million bounty on the head of al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.

The announcement of a reward for Saeed comes at a time of strained ties between the United States and Pakistan and is likely to increase pressure on Islamabad to take action against one of Pakistan's most notorious Islamist leaders.

A senior police official in Punjab province, who is closely involved with investigations into militant activity, confirmed that Saeed and his supporters were helping efforts to transform militants into law-abiding citizens.

"Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) were consulted, and they approved the de-radicalisation plan. They assured us of their intellectual input and resource materials. They also offered teachers," he told Reuters, referring to the charity Saeed heads.

The bounty highlighted the divide between the United States' direct approach to tackling militancy, and strategies employed by Pakistan, a nuclear-armed South Asian nation seen as critical to US efforts to pacifying Afghanistan.

While Pakistan has mounted offensives against militant groups like the homegrown Taliban, it also contends other tactics such as de-radicalisation are vital to sustaining battlefield gains.

Yahya Mujahid, the JuD spokesman, said the group had not participated in the de-radicalisaton programme.

Hafiz Khalid Waleed, another senior JuD member, declined to comment on whether the Islamist leader had been directly assisting the government in de-radicalisation.

But he said Saeed and his followers were promoting non-violence.

"Hafiz Saeed was one of the first religious leaders to denounce militancy and suicide bombings," said Waleed. "Our schools and madrassas (religious seminaries) are urging peace."

Spotting idle militants

Under the programme, former militants are urged to develop technical skills that could give them long-lasting employment to keep them from taking up arms against the state again.

Experts also try to reverse what Pakistani officials call brainwashing by militants who preach holy war against the West.

To help the deradicalisation programme, Saeed identifies former militants who may still be recruited for jihad because they are jobless and idle and he helps steer them toward the programme, said the counter-terrorism official.

India maintains Saeed is a criminal and has long called for his capture, blaming the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) -- the militant group he founded in the 1990s -- for the Mumbai carnage.

The two nations have a tentative peace process underway with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari scheduled to meet Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Sunday, the first visit to India by a Pakistani head of state since 2005.

Pakistan is home to some of the world's most dangerous militant groups, who carry out suicide bombings and beheadings in their bid to topple the U.S.-backed government. There are also less violent groups with the same aims.

But many Pakistanis privately support Saeed's animosity to India. The two countries were born out of the 1947 division of the subcontinent after freedom from British colonial rule and hundreds of thousands were killed in rioting at the time.

The bounty, which would be paid for information leading to Saeed's arrest and conviction, however puzzled Pakistanis. His whereabouts are usually not a mystery. He wanders the country freely, fires up supporters at rallies and runs a huge charity.

Waleed mocked the decision to place a bounty on Saeed.

"President Barack Obama's election symbol was a donkey and his government is acting like one. They have no evidence against Hafiz Saeed and are scrambling to make up stories," he told Reuters.

Pakistani officials say Saeed, who Western officials suspect of links to al-Qaida, has the right to move freely because he has been cleared by Pakistani courts of a range of accusations.

Saeed abandoned the leadership of the LeT after India accused it of being behind an attack on the Indian parliament in December 2001. But his charity is suspected of being a front for the LeT.

He denies any wrongdoing and links to militants.

Over 1,000 of Saeed's supporters protested against the bounty on Friday.

Saeed agreed to support de-radicalisation because he felt that former militants should find jobs and re-join mainstream society, said the counter-terrorism official, who has been at the forefront of efforts to fight militancy in Punjab.

The counter-terrorism official, who engineered the project, said 200 former militants had participated this year in Punjab, Pakistan's most populous province, including some from Saeed's militant group.

Another 100 will be completing the programme by June.

Saeed, a former professor of Islamic studies at an engineering university, appeared at a press conference on Wednesday in the city of Rawalpindi, home to headquarters of the Pakistani army, recipient of billions of dollars in US aid.

Flanked by some of Pakistan's most virulently anti-American Islamists at a hotel about a 40-minute drive from the US embassy in the capital, he taunted the United States.

Saeed, a short bearded man, lives near a park and a mosque in a non-descript villa with a policeman stationed outside, in the central city of Lahore, capital of Punjab.

Some of his bodyguards wear olive camouflage vests while others are dressed in dark traditional shalwar-kameez, baggy shirt and trousers. Clutching AK-47 assault rifles, a few are positioned on his rooftop watching the street.

Saeed enjoys armed protection from the state because of his "new thinking", sources said.

"Al-Qaida or factions from the Pakistani Taliban may want to kill him," said one of the sources, adding India may want to target him as well.

Asked if the reward would anger Saeed's followers and undermine de-radicalisation efforts, he said: "There is resentment but I hope the programme won't be affected."




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To: kumar rangan who wrote (10417)4/7/2012 1:28:45 AM
From: Hawkmoon   of 11035
 
The counter-terrorism official said that Saeed had not been paid for his de-radicalisation acitivities.


It's all about saving his skin and avoiding winding up like Osama Bin Ladin, IMO.

Hawk

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