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To: calgal who wrote (5770)4/28/2003 11:57:23 AM
From: calgal   of 8679
 
April 28, 2003
War by remote control

Arnaud de Borchgrave

JDAMs are now the key to victory in any war fought by the United States. Dirt cheap — by Pentagon standards — at $18,000 each, these Joint Direct Attack Munitions carry a tail kit that turns dumb bombs into smart ones. They have revolutionized warfare more than any other weapons system. They can be launched from almost any warplane up to 15 miles from the target in any weather and strike within 10 feet of the intended target. But Operation Iraqi Freedom almost exhausted the Pentagon's inventory of JDAMs, and Boeing's Integrated Defense Systems in St. Louis has just received a rush order for 30,000.
Boeing's fully automated plant in St. Charles, Mo., works round the clock and requires only 20 specialists to operate. Its current rate of production of 3,000 JDAMs a month is being stepped up with new facilities. The Pentagon is not ready to take on the other two members of the "axis of evil" — Iran and North Korea — or "almost as evil" Syria until the JDAM stockpile has been replenished. A standby capability of 40,000 JDAMs is the new target.
Over Iraq, Air Force F-15E fighters launched five 2,000-pound JDAMs on five separate targets.
Wars by remote control draw ever closer to reality. JASSM, or air-to-surface standoff missiles, carried by a wide variety of warplanes, including all bombers and most fighter-bombers, can be launched 200 miles from the target.
LOCAAS — for low-cost autonomous attack system — is a lightweight, 3-foot cruise missile powered by a 30-pound turbojet engine that has a range of 100 miles, and is designed to hit moving targets as well as bunkers. It also performs tight turns while pursuing a mobile target.
The latest Tomahawk cruise missile can be reprogrammed in flight to strike any of 15 preprogrammed alternate targets, or be totally redirected to any GPS targeting coordinates. It can even loiter over a target for several hours.
Remote control warfare will come of age with Boeing's X-45A, an Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UCAV) that operates up to 45,000 feet, twice as high as the Predator, and carry any ordnance in the Air Force arsenal, including 2,000-pound satellite-guided smart bombs. The Predator carries a single Hellfire missile. The X-45A will have to same payload as an F/A-18.
In World War II, it took literally thousands of sorties to destroy a single target in Germany. Now, it's no more than two.
JDAM was first used in the 78-day bombing campaign against Serbia and Kosovo in 1999. Of the 12,000 bombs dropped on Afghanistan in 2001, 7,200, or 60 percent, were precision-guided (4,600 of them JDAMs).
In the Iraqi campaign, precision-guided munitions hit some 18,000 targets before the Marines rolled into Baghdad.
JDAMs probably convinced the Syrian regime to comply with U.S. demands that it cease sheltering ranking Iraqi officials and facilitating the transit of hundreds of Arab volunteers for suicide missions against the U.S. military in Iraq.
By October, when JDAMs will be plentiful again, Syria can expect renewed U.S. pressure against the terrorist groups it protects in Lebanon, a de facto Syrian protectorate.
Iran, meanwhile, is flooding southern Iraq with religious agitators, already fanning the flames of anti-Americanism. Iran's religious leaders have many scores to settle with Iraq, the country that went to war against Iran in 1980, a war that lasted eight years and caused almost 1 million killed.
The Tehran-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq has been quick to capitalize on the power vacuum in the south around Basra. Hundreds of professional "organizers" have crossed the now unpatrolled border from Iran to Iraq. They are busy proselytizing on behalf of Ayatollah Mohammed Bakr Al-Hakim, the Council's Iran-based leader who will be moving his headquarters to Basra shortly.
Keeping Iraq together as a unitary state is a formidable challenge. Covert assistance from Syria and Iran to the spoilers is a virtual certainty. Another Lebanon, torn asunder by violence and religious extremism, is an all too plausible scenario.
Neither Syria nor Iran are going to change into peace-loving democracies because of any example Iraq might set under U.S. guidance. Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based, Iran-backed and Syria-protected terrorist group, has already declared that U.S. "occupation forces in Iraq" are fair game.
James Woolsey, a former CIA director (1993-95) and a candidate for shadow information minister in an interim Iraqi administration, keeps reminding us that we have been in World War IV ever since the end of the Cold War (which was World War III). That JDAMs will be back in action later this year is an even-odds bet.

Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press International.

URL:http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20030428-67387508.htm

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To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (5761)4/28/2003 1:30:51 PM
From: Orcastraiter   of 8679
 
One barrel among a dozen with an initial positive test. This means nothing at this time.

You need to compare what is being found with what the president said the Iraqis had. 500 tons of nerve agents. 10 of thousands of liters of anthrax and other agents. 30,000 plus munitions capable of delivering the germ agents.

Something is not adding up here. Either the intelligence given to the president was not any good. Or the State of the Union address was propaganda for going to war with Saddam. The only other answer is that the Iraqis have hidden all of the weapons in a tunnel deep beneath Bagdad or sent them off to Syria.

Sending that kind of shipment to Syria would have certainly caught someone's eye, so that pretty much leaves the hidden in a tunnel theory. I guess that is where they will look for WMD now.

Funny though, you'd have thought that the WMD would have been at the ready for use in the war, not deep under Bagdad in a tunnel.

If the President said there was WMD in Iraq, and that the purpose of the war was to disarm Iraq, then he needs to find some WMD pretty soon.

Isn't anyone concerned?

Orca

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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (5772)4/28/2003 4:27:48 PM
From: Quincy   of 8679
 
"This means nothing at this time."

With the chemical warfare equipment found, what if it is just well buried in sand?


Got shovels?

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To: calgal who wrote (5755)4/28/2003 4:47:10 PM
From: calgal   of 8679
 
April 28, 2003
Bashing unabated
Donald Lambro

URL:http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20030428-82075825.htm

President Bush's war to destroy Saddam Hussein's regime is over, the Iraqis have been liberated, and the Middle East's worst threat to peace is no more.
So why aren't the political pundits happy?
Even as Iraqis rejoiced over their newly won freedom and toppled Saddam's statues, U.S. television networks were still repeatedly broadcasting the same footage of looters. The ransacking, much of it driven by the hatred of a murderous tyrant, dissipated as Iraqi volunteers took charge of their own law enforcement.
Iraqi Shi'ites, for the first time in decades, were reveling in new religious freedom, with thousands making the pilgrimage to the holy city of Karbala. Some Iraqis have even openly protested the U.S. presence in their country. While it may seem inappropriate to us, the point is that they now have the freedom to do so without the fearing the murderous persecution they suffered under Saddam Hussein.
But newspapers such as the New York Times and The Washington Post see nothing but "chaos" and "despair" in the war's aftermath. Media analysts shake their heads about the monumental rebuilding tasks ahead and worry about the prospects of a "quagmire" of occupation. This, even though some of our aircraft carriers and combat troops continue to head home.
The Times, in a front-page story last week, reported that the U.S. military was setting up "permanent" bases in Iraq — intimating, of course, that we will be occupying the country forever. I read the story and it seems as if it was cooly calculated to inflame the Iraqis. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld countered that the report was totally and completely false, angrily condemning this kind of fear-mongering, "Henny Penny" reporting. Henny is a character in the children's tale about Chicken Little, who claimed that "the sky is falling." It wasn't, it isn't and it won't.
We are going to repair the damage done to Iraq, help the Iraqi people start a government, and then get out of there as soon as we can. The fact is that conditions there are improving: Food shipments are making their way into the region; water lines and electricity are being turned on; for the first time in weeks, street lights are on in parts of Baghdad; medicines are being flown in; police forces are being hired to protect civilians; and schools and shops have reopened.
At the same time, I think our military presence in the region and the changes we have brought about so far will open up new opportunities for peace, as happened in the wake of the 1991 Persian Gulf war, when a new peace process between the Israelis and Palestinians was initiated. The postwar period this time has spawned new hope of an Israeli-Palestinian peace accord and a long-sought Palestinian state.
Syria, which helped arm Iraq, is sounding a lot more cooperative after the well-justified pounding Mr. Bush, Mr. Rumsfeld and Colin Powell gave President Bashar Assad about harboring Iraqi fugitives. Iran seems to be keeping its head down as well, worried perhaps that it may be next on Mr. Bush's agenda.
Elsewhere, even North Korea has suddenly dropped demands for one-on-one talks with the United States about its nuclear weapons program, agreeing to multilateral discussions with the United States and China.
America's swift victory over Iraq has also strengthened Mr. Powell's hand in bringing increased diplomatic pressure on adversaries in the Middle East. "He can press straddling states to deal with him now — or Rumsfeld later," writes Victor Davis Hanson in National Review.
But among the chattering class here in the news media, there is barely grudging approval for the enormously far-reaching victory Mr. Bush and U.S. military forces have achieved.
"Is this administration going to concern itself only with grand gestures," a frustrated Joe Klein cried out in a silly Time magazine essay. No doubt he longs for the days when Bill Clinton concentrated on tiny gestures, such as promoting school uniforms.
So much has happened so fast in the last two years that it is now dawning on many foreign desk analysts that two of the most dangerous terrorist dictatorships in the Middle East — Saddam's regime and the Taliban thugs in Afghanistan — no longer exist.
This will dramatically change the geopolitical environment in the entire region. The changes that will occur in Afghanistan and Iraq will help encourage similar reform movements in many neighboring Persian Gulf states, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, as the people in those countries see the growing freedoms now being enjoyed by these liberated nations.
In the information age, democracy and freedom are going to become even more contagious in this war-torn region. The emerging debate in the Arab countries — still in its infancy — about building democratic institutions of government, religious tolerance and diversity, and broader access to educational and economic opportunities will be strengthened immeasurably by what we did in Iraq.
For past two decades, we looked the other way while bloodthirsty fanatics in the Middle East spread their global network of terror and eventually brought their war right into our cities. Mr. Bush has acted boldly and bravely by taking the war to them, in their caves and their bunkers, by acting pre-emptively to prevent another September 11, 2001, nightmare.
There were great risks and sacrifices — some of our best and bravest lost their lives or suffered horribly. But America is safer, and the Middle East is more peaceful, as a result of what we did there.
So why aren't the Times, The Post and the whining political pundits in New York and Washington happier about this? Maybe it's because they can't stand the thought that the president, whom they ridiculed for so long as a lightweight, is being seen as a global heavyweight who thinks big, acts decisively and, unlike his predecessor, is winning the war against terror.

Donald Lambro, chief political correspondent for The Washington Times, is a nationally syndicated columnist.

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To: Quincy who wrote (5773)4/28/2003 6:38:10 PM
From: Orcastraiter   of 8679
 
With the chemical warfare equipment found, what if it is just well buried in sand?


I'm much more concerned with people burying their heads in the sand.

The American people need to ask the hard questions. It's our right and our responsibility. Where are the WMD? If they are buried in the sand, then someone knows where. With the satelite surveilance any major excavation would have shown up. You can't hide 500 tons and 30,000 munitions that easily. 500 tons of liquid would fill about 2,500 barrels. About 50 semi truck loads, or 250 flatbeds worth, and this does not count the 10's of thousands of liters of chem weapons or the 30,000 munitions, which would easily double the number of trucks needed to haul it.

Something does not seem right.

When the president uses the case of WMD to justify an invasion, the intelligence should be so complete that those weapons would have been rounded up in the first part of the battle. Instead of going after the weapons, they went to protect the oil fields and the oil ministry facilities first. Leads me to believe that they had no concrete evidence of WMD.

The WMD argument was the one argument that brought national security into question. That made the case to congress for going to war a no brainer. The fact that Saddam was a tyrant does not justify going to war, unless we are prepared to go to war with every tin pan dictator in the world. That is a long list of wars we need to fight if such is the case.

I hope the Iraqi people will make the best of an opportunity for democracy. But I'm not sure that war was the only way of making that happen. Saddam could have been dealt with in other ways.

Orca

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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (5775)4/28/2003 8:45:10 PM
From: Orcastraiter   of 8679
 
We may be able to find the WMD here:

coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk 

Orca

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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (5772)4/29/2003 1:06:38 AM
From: Victor Lazlo   of 8679
 
There sure is a big delta between the intel estimates and what is being found. It is hard to believe that it all could have been shipped to syria. Some i'd think but not all without being detected.

After all, US spec ops people were crawling all over Iraq in the months prior to the war.

In any case the time is stil early, and these captured high level people will almost surely lead the coalition to some important sites. Hopefully so will some of these exiles who have said they were part of WMD programs.

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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (5776)4/29/2003 1:08:30 AM
From: Victor Lazlo   of 8679
 
that's pretty funny!

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To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (5777)4/29/2003 12:40:15 PM
From: Orcastraiter   of 8679
 
There sure is a big delta between the intel estimates and what is being found. It is hard to believe that it all could have been shipped to syria. Some i'd think but not all without being detected.
After all, US spec ops people were crawling all over Iraq in the months prior to the war.


If the WMD situation that the President outlined in the State of the Union address was accurate. And if the connection between Saddam and Al Qaida was documented, then would it not have been a no brainer to connect the dots to see that in case of war, that possibly the WMD would be transshipped to Al Qaida. And would it not have been imperative to intercept any shipment? If I were the architect of the war, given this important intelligence on the WMD, I would have had a massive effort in place to track and intercept those weapons. Wouldn't you?

I'm not so sure that I buy Tony Blair's statement that finding illegal weapons is not a high priority. That bringing Civil order is more important. The coalition will look harder for the weapons after the country is secure. Without down playing the need for Civil order in Iraq, would we not need to be concerned that the WMD, if they exist, might be transferred to the "evil doers"?

In any case the time is stil early, and these captured high level people will almost surely lead the coalition to some important sites. Hopefully so will some of these exiles who have said they were part of WMD programs.

It's later than you think. These weapons, if they exist, should have been coralled by now. Since you have stated "almost surely" in regards to finding WMD, I can see that you are having doubts now too.

And if the reason for going to war, as it was laid before Congress and the American people was to protect the country against an attack from WMD, ala 9-11, Then we better find the WMD, or Bush will have some splainin to do, to the American people.

Orca

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To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (5777)4/29/2003 1:17:34 PM
From: Doren   of 8679
 
Big Gap? The CIA said there was no big reason to believe they had WMD.

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