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To: WillP who wrote (3650)12/20/2005 5:43:29 PM
From: Famularo   of 7114
 
whats your take on posting street wires?

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To: Famularo who wrote (3642)12/20/2005 7:25:54 PM
From: Bob Fairchild   of 7114
 
Frank,

Rumour has it that Bloomfield is taking advantage of a free five post offer by S.I. My count has him well over that limit. Maybe you should consider extending the ban to freeloaders as well unless he wants to put his wallet where his mouth is and pay for a real membership. By the way, how long is Wayne and the other guy (not sure who) banned ?

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From: Bloomfield12/20/2005 7:43:18 PM
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Objective vs. Speculative Value

My arguments made use of objective values based on given quantities in MVP company documents. Therefore I should have assigned zero as an OBJECTIVE value to the Internal Rate of Return, not a speculative one for the share price at the end of post #3623.

Speculative models are not something that I use much in my trading, so I will have to leave the assignment of a speculative value for MPV to someone else here. I rely heavily on the interpretation of drill results and technical reports as my primary tool for investment decisions. Quality of management is the next priority for me, and I tend to favor technical experience over sales ability and lawyers. I am not oblivious to a good story, but it is not the most important factor for me. You have to remember that my viewpoint is that of a geologist, not a money guy. If I don’t see enough ore in the ore, I toss it away and start to look for something else.

Speculative models work well when you go with a basket of companies. You can play the percentages and win a lot of the time if you’re good at it. The trouble is I just don’t seem to find that very interesting. For me, it’s more of an Easter egg hunt. There’s the joy of discovering you’ve come upon something really big, like when Shore Gold released their 3rd sample set in August of last year, and the implications for the back to back results sunk in. What I really like is that Eureka feeling.

Well it looks like I’m out of my 5 wishes for today. I can see the usher for Silicon Investor coming over to guide me out of the building until tomorrow.

I wish everyone a good night and sweet dreams.

Yours truly, Bloomfield

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To: Bob Fairchild who wrote (3654)12/20/2005 9:27:23 PM
From: Edscharp   of 7114
 
"Bloomfield is taking advantage of a free five post offer by S.I. My count has him well over that limit

That's five free posts PER DAY (and more). See the below link.

siliconinvestor.com

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To: james flannigan who wrote (3651)12/20/2005 11:03:56 PM
From: WillP   of 7114
 
James:

Yes, I recall your calculation from a few years ago. (They're all crude, even the feasibility ones prepared by the companies and their engineers.)

My personal opinion is that you have to go significantly lower than the Winspear offer, as De Beers now pegs the Snap Lake diamond value at over $140 (U.S.) per carat, with a mining grade of about 1.45 carat per tonne. The grade is a match for Gahcho Kue, but the diamond value is roughly double.

I assume therefore that you're placing a lot of your confidence on the Gahcho Kue diamonds having a much higher current value than De Beers models. Is that correct?

Your old friend growing older by the day James

Sigh. Aren't we all, James, aren't we all.

Regards,

Will

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To: Famularo who wrote (3639)12/21/2005 12:05:04 AM
From: russet   of 7114
 
Has anyone done an analysis on ACA's Quebec play yet? Would be an interesting analysis. We have a grade and some interesting tonnage numbers. Quebec is a very good place to mine. Costs are the difficult numbers to get a handle on, but I think the taxes would be very flexible. I think that bringing a mine on stream in Quebec would have a timeline similar to one in,...well let's say very quick :-)

Now how does one set a stick of dynamite under Rio's arse to get this in motion. If we were Tahera we'd be building the processing plant right now.

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To: russet who wrote (3658)12/21/2005 7:53:17 AM
From: Famularo   of 7114
 
>>Has anyone done an analysis on ACA's Quebec play yet? Would be an interesting analysis. We have a grade and some interesting tonnage numbers. Quebec is a very good place to mine. Costs are the difficult numbers to get a handle on, but I think the taxes would be very flexible. I think that bringing a mine on stream in Quebec would have a timeline similar to one in,...well let's say very quick :-)

I plugged high numbers. In the new year, will spend more time with the details. Infracstructure is better then most are aware. I'm sure you may have visted the aca site www.ashton.ca, but for others, its a good place to start. Russett, the presentation done in last month in Quebec demonstrates a potential production timeline of 2010/2011!. If all continues to go well.

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To: Famularo who wrote (3659)12/21/2005 9:57:26 AM
From: Chas.   of 7114
 
Frank, that is only 4 to 5 years...can they move that fast thru permitting and all...?

regards

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To: WillP who wrote (3657)12/21/2005 10:24:56 AM
From: james flannigan   of 7114
 
Yes Will, I feel that the 1600t bulk processed by Debeers was too small to peg a value for the over all deposit.I think that may be why Debeers is going to bulk Tuzo, the more ore to value the more closer you may get to the over all project value.We must also expect that taking a larger sample could deliver a lower over all value.If that were to happen Bloomfield would have his day in the sun.My bet is that the 10ct stone was no fluke and that the deposit could produce them more often then expected.Another factor is the future value of increasing diamond prices.I think that Debeers is much less interested in the present value of GK,but is very interested future value.If the 15% IRR were to be achieved by rising prices by mine opening,yet not offset to the same degree by rising costs then Debeers would do very well.We must remember that Debeers raking a 15% profit of GK yrly,then taking those profits and finding a place to deploy those profits again at a 15% compounded rate over the mine life,would produce a far greater profit for Debeers by the time GK shuts down.That future value is what many long term companies look for be it property investments or diamond mines. That is the very reason Debeer would want to buy MPV share of the ore,so they would get the benifit of deploying MPVs portion of profits IMO. Regards James

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To: james flannigan who wrote (3661)12/21/2005 10:58:24 AM
From: WillP   of 7114
 
Yes Will, I feel that the 1600t bulk processed by Debeers was too small to peg a value for the over all deposit.

It was too small for a reliable appraised value. It could have been sufficient for a modelled value. I think th issue is, was De Beers too conservative with its estimate.

I may not remember the timing correctly and I'm too bust to check, but I *think* the more conservative approach came after De Beers put out a rosy forecast for the Fort a la Corne play, then had to lower its prediction dramatically a year later. That prompted a move toward more conservative numbers, I think.

I think that may be why Debeers is going to bulk Tuzo, the more ore to value the more closer you may get to the over all project value.

Basically, I think so too. I was surprised they omitted Tuzo from the last few tests.

We must also expect that taking a larger sample could deliver a lower over all value.If that were to happen Bloomfield would have his day in the sun.

A prudent worry, I think. It can go either way.

My bet is that the 10ct stone was no fluke and that the deposit could produce them more often then expected.

That pertains to the degree of conservatism discussed above.

Another factor is the future value of increasing diamond prices.I think that Debeers is much less interested in the present value of GK,but is very interested future value.If the 15% IRR were to be achieved by rising prices by mine opening,yet not offset to the same degree by rising costs then Debeers would do very well.

Yes, it would. That's undoubtedly a consideration. There is also a risk in assuming the future will be rosy. There are unexpected events that can unfold, leading to a nasty surprise. As I recall all too well, I was sitting at my desk four years ago, making a post about Mountain Province, when my wife came in and said planes were crashing into the WTC and the Pentagon. I finished the post, thinking she must have really bolluxed some disaster movie into a real news report.

We must remember that Debeers raking a 15% profit of GK yrly,then taking those profits and finding a place to deploy those profits again at a 15% compounded rate over the mine life,would produce a far greater profit for Debeers by the time GK shuts down.

Sure. We must also remember that De Beers Group could make over $250-million (U.S.) just marketing the Gahcho Kue diamonds. That a good motivator. They can presumably charge that expense against the mine, lowering its profits and cash payments accordingly.

That future value is what many long term companies look for be it property investments or diamond mines. That is the very reason Debeer would want to buy MPV share of the ore,so they would get the benifit of deploying MPVs portion of profits IMO.

The bottom line is the bottom line. A good accountant, familiar with the tax laws and accounting policies covering mines would be able to say whether Be Beers would be better off owning all the play, or just part of it.

It's all about numbers, and we don't have access to enough of them. That uncertainty is what makes for an ample supply of buyers and sellers, of course.

After 10 years, I'm certainly hoping it works out for you.

Regards,

WillP

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