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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88271)5/15/2012 10:46:57 PM
From: Hawkmoon   of 89448
 
We know there was a fight, Trayvon had a right to stand his ground. Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle.

So Martin had the right to trap Zimmerman in his vehicle? Maybe Martin had the right to shoot Zimmerman too, eh?

Last time I checked, there's no law against leaving your vehicle.. It certainly doesn't warrant an attack..

Going to feel that way when it happens to a loved one of yours?

I wonder how many bruises and broken bones Martin had? Bet he only had a bullet hole in his chest..
Hawk

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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88276)5/15/2012 10:57:55 PM
From: Hawkmoon   of 89448
 
If Zimmerman is found guilty, it will be appealed and whether it is dismissed or not all you right wingers who complain about such legal things

It has NOTHING to do with being "rightwing" or "leftwing".. Unless you're going to frame it in an argument that's completely against the 2nd amendment of the Constitution.

People have a right to defend themselves. If Zimmerman's injuries are as reported (and it begs the question as to why it's taken so long to reveal this), he had every reason to believe he was in danger.

It doesn't take that much for a any assailant to kill someone, even if they don't have a weapon. If I'm pounding your head on the sidewalk, as was reported, that's aggravated assault. That gives ANYONE the right to use deadly force to defend themselves.

Believe me, if Zimmerman had been pounding Martin's head against the sidewalk, I'd have defended his right to shoot Zimmerman dead..

Again, it's a fundamental right of every American to have the right to defend themselves, and other people, against aggravated bodily harm. If deadly force is the only way they feel they can assure preserving themselves and others from such harm, then so be it.

Hawk

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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88276)5/15/2012 11:14:41 PM
From: joseffy   of 89448
 
I notice you use the FIRST name for 'Trayvon.'

But the LAST name for Zimmerman.

Is that a lefty attempt to make your Trayvon up close and personal--and "Zimmerman" far away and impersonal?

You lefties are pathetic.

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From: Cautious_Optimist5/15/2012 11:16:14 PM
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Top Murdoch Aide Is Charged in Hacking Case


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Rebekah Brooks arrived on Tuesday at a London police station, where she was charged with attempting to conceal evidence.


By JOHN F. BURNS and ALAN COWELLPublished: May 15, 2012


LONDON — Rebekah Brooks, the former head of Rupert Murdoch’s British newspaper empire and a close friend of Prime Minister David Cameron, was formally charged on Tuesday, along with her husband and four others, of perverting the course of justice in the phone hacking scandal that has burrowed deeply into British public life.


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It was the first time that charges had been filed since the police reopened inquiries into the long-running scandal 16 months ago. The accusations, based on evidence that Ms. Brooks and the others tried to hide or destroy files and equipment, are an important watershed in a wider criminal investigation that has resulted in about 50 people being arrested and released on bail by Scotland Yard teams delving into the hacking, payments to public officials and other accusations of wrongdoing at two tabloids owned by Mr. Murdoch.

Those investigations seem sure to produce their own raft of criminal charges in the coming months, and could result in Ms. Brooks’s being indicted again, since she was arrested twice by the Scotland Yard investigators, once last year on suspicion of phone hacking and corruption, then again in March over the possible perversion of justice, an accusation akin to obstruction. Legal experts said that the charges on Tuesday would almost certainly lead to a trial, in nine months or so, before a High Court judge at the Old Bailey, Britain’s most famous criminal court.

The charges stem from Britain’s most intensive criminal inquiry in years, one that has cost $65 million and involved 185 police officers. Lawyers familiar with the investigation said that the Crown Prosecution Service was working in a politically charged climate that necessitated an early decision, after months of police work, on a high-profile prosecution.

By choosing a case that centers on an alleged cover-up, they said, they accomplished two objectives: moving against Ms. Brooks, who after Mr. Murdoch and his son James has been the most visible and controversial figure in the saga; and doing so in a case that was likely to be easier to prosecute than later cases that go to the heart of the suspected newsroom wrongdoing.

The charges on Tuesday relate to cover-up activities suspected to have occurred in a two-week period last summer, involving six people, and issues that will be easier for prosecutors to put to a jury, the experts said. By contrast, the allegations of phone hacking involve as victims at least 800 politicians, celebrities, crime victims and others, and a lengthy roll call of editors, reporters and investigators at the two tabloids who may have been involved. Complex issues of “who said what to whom and when” are likely to come up in any phone-hacking trials, as well as a likely argument from the defense that legal red lines were crossed in pursuit of issues that were in the public interest.

The heightened scrutiny of the tabloid practices began last summer when it was disclosed that hacking at The News of the World included the cellphone of a 13-year-old London schoolgirl, Milly Dowler, whose messages had been intercepted after she was abducted and before her body was discovered. That prompted Rupert and James Murdoch to fly to London and close the 168-year-old tabloid. Ms. Brooks, a former editor of the paper, quickly resigned as chief executive of News International, the Murdoch newspaper subsidiary in Britain. She was arrested the first time shortly afterward.

The two Murdochs then went before Parliament to testify about the affair, denying any cover-up by News International or News Corporation, the New York-based media conglomerate controlled by the Murdoch family. But by then the scandal, revealing the widespread contacts and influence that the Murdochs and their aides had at the heart of government, had developed a strong political taint, and Rupert Murdoch bowed to the mounting scrutiny by withdrawing a $12 billion takeover bid for BSkyB, the country’s most lucrative satellite broadcasting network.

It was in the midst of those events — between July 6 and July 19, 2011 — prosecutors said on Tuesday, that Ms. Brooks, her husband and the four others, including her private assistant at News International, her chauffeur and a bodyguard, were engaged in concealing documents, computers, electronic devices and archive material from Scotland Yard investigators.

The decision to prosecute Ms. Brooks and her husband was seen as a major blow to Rupert Murdoch, who put Ms. Brooks on the fast track to one of the most powerful positions in News Corporation’s worldwide empire, and who stood by her as the scandal spread. It was a blow, too, to Mr. Cameron. By his own account, he has maintained a cozy social relationship with Ms. Brooks and her husband, Charlie Brooks — a prominent racehorse trainer who, like Mr. Cameron, was educated at Eton — both when he was in the opposition and, since 2010, as prime minister.

The charges drew a combative response from the Brookses even before prosecutors announced the details. In a statement, they left little doubt that their defense would rest on claims that they are high-profile scapegoats and that a trial is an attempt to deflect some of the pressure that the scandal has placed on politicians and the police.

“We deplore this weak and unjust decision,” they said of the charges, which they dismissed in a meeting with reporters later as nothing more than a “witch hunt” and an “expensive sideshow.”

Before a bank of cameras under rainy skies in London, Ms. Brooks and her husband decried the prosecution, denied wrongdoing and questioned whether the decision to charge them had been motivated by public pressure.

Mr. Brooks said that he felt he and the others arrested with his wife were being used “to ratchet up the pressure” on Ms. Brooks. She could not, he said, expect a fair trial. Ms. Brooks said she was “baffled by the decision to charge me today,” questioned whether it was “made on a proper, impartial assessment of the evidence” and said she was angry that those around her — her husband and former colleagues — had been “dragged into this.”

The prosecution service said it had received a file of evidence from the police on March 27 concerning Ms. Brooks, her husband and five other suspects. The prosecutors’ statement identified the other suspects as Cheryl Carter, Ms. Brooks’ personal assistant; Mark Hanna, the head of security at News International; a chauffeur, Paul Edwards; and two security consultants, Daryl Jorsling and a second suspect who was not named. The unidentified suspect was not charged.

Alison Levitt, a top lawyer at the Crown Prosecution Service, said all the suspects conspired to “conceal material” from police officers and to “remove seven boxes of material from the archive of News International.” Ms. Brooks, Mr. Brooks, Mr. Hanna, Mr. Edwards and Mr. Jorsling also conspired “to conceal documents, computers and other electronic equipment” that bore on the continuing police investigations into phone hacking and corruption of public officials by The News of the World and The Sun, Ms. Levitt said.

While the maximum legal penalty for the offense is life in prison, legal experts said Ms. Brooks and the others accused, if found guilty, could receive jail terms of several months, or as much as four or five years, if convicted. Fleeting glimpses of what may emerge at the trials of Ms. Brooks and the others have emerged in newspaper coverage of the scandal.

According to two former staff members at The News of the World who did not want to be identified because they were discussing a topic that was the subject of a police investigation, Ms. Carter, the former personal assistant, was fiercely loyal to Ms. Brooks.

An individual who was present on the day that Ms. Brooks cleared out her office after her resignation was announced on July 15, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Ms. Brooks and Ms. Carter were seen carrying items to a parked car. Friends of Ms. Carter’s have said that she was subsequently required to surrender her passport to the police and cancel plans to emigrate to Australia. A lawyer for Ms. Carter said that she vigorously denied the charges.

It is unclear what Mr. Brooks, who has strong ties to Mr. Cameron’s Conservative Party, is suspected of having done. But The Guardian reported in July that he was involved in a peculiar episode featuring a laptop left in a bag in a garbage can in a parking garage near the London apartment he shares with his wife.

According to the newspaper, the bag, which also held some papers, was unearthed by security guards, who called the police. Mr. Brooks then tried to reclaim the items but could not prove they were his. A spokesman for Mr. Brooks told The Guardian that he had “left the bag with a friend who was returning it, but dropped it in the wrong part of the garage.”




Ravi Somaiya and Sandy Macaskill contributed reporting.








A version of this article appeared in print on May 16, 2012, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Hacking Case: Aide Charged In Obstruction.





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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (88278)5/15/2012 11:27:47 PM
From: Farmboy3 Recommendations   of 89448
 
Pounding someone's head into a concrete sidewalk, IS deadly force, and most certainly, one has a right to employ deadly force when defending themselves against deadly force. That's a textbook "self defense" situation.

The more this goes on, and the more truth comes out, it is tending to leave the 'Zimmerman lynch mob' looking like the bunch of hysterical, non-thinking fools they have been all along.

"Stand Your Ground" does not apply .. when one has no means available to retreat. That's just a classic case of self-defense in any state ... with or without the "Stand Your Ground" law.

More and more, Obama's son is looking like the real aggressor here.

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To: Farmboy who wrote (88281)5/15/2012 11:38:27 PM
From: Cautious_Optimist   of 89448
 
<<More and more, Obama's son is looking like the real aggressor here.>>

LOL - to the black profiling racists who declared Zimmerman the victim from the moment they learned of the tragedy.

The evidence that Zimmerman sustained injuries is not evidence of who presented a threat and who was defending (standing their ground.) Zimmerman had a loaded gun in his belt, and was told not to follow Martin.

The trial will be very enlightening, though "victim" Zimmerman is the only one that got out alive to testify.

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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88282)5/16/2012 12:03:01 AM
From: Hawkmoon   of 89448
 
The trial will be very enlightening, though "victim" Zimmerman is the only one that got out alive to testify.

It's always better to be judged by 12, than to be carried by 6..

Hawk

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (88283)5/16/2012 12:18:18 AM
From: Cautious_Optimist   of 89448
 
That's for sure.

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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88284)5/16/2012 9:23:39 AM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation   of 89448
 
The Narcissist-in-Chief Adds Self To Presidential Bios-Is The Gettysburg Address Next?


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Talk about delusions of grandeur, the White House website contains biographies of each of the men who held the office of President. Recently the Narcissist-in-Chief decided to embellish each of the biographies beginning with Calvin Coolidge. The embellishment? A mention of a milestone achieved by his most favorite person in the entire world---Barack Obama.

This is what the Coolidge addition looks like:
Did you know?
On Feb. 22, 1924 Calvin Coolidge became the first president to make a public radio address to the American people. President Coolidge later helped create the Federal Radio Commission, which has now evolved to become the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). President Obama became the first president to hold virtual gatherings and town halls using Twitter, Facebook, Google+, LinkedIn, etc. Silent Cal was a small government president who used budget and tax cuts to create what came to be known as the Coolidge prosperity. He is probably spinning in his grave about being tied to big budget Obama in any way, no matter how benign.

Another fun one is Truman:
Did you know?
In a 1946 letter to the National Urban League, President Truman wrote that the government has "an obligation to see that the civil rights of every citizen are fully and equally protected.” He ended racial segregation in civil service and the armed forces in 1948. Today the Obama Administration continues to strive toward upholding the civil rights of its citizens, repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, allowing people of all sexual orientations to serve openly in our armed forces.
Hey he forgot to mention that progressive hero Woodrow Wilson segregated the military.

Shouldn't the second half read this way? Today the Obama administration continue to strive toward uphold the civil rights of its citizens (except for people of faith), cops who arrest African-American professors in Cambridge, and Caucasian voters who are intimidated by New Black Panther thugs. He is also the first president to use rac e as a weapon of political intimidation branding anyone who disagrees with him a racist.

He really gets creative with JFK:
Did you know?

President John F. Kennedy famously suggested the American people: “Ask what you can do for your country.” In 1961, the Peace Corps was created, facilitating service among citizens working toward peace in developing countries. In 2011, President Obama celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Peace Corps with a Presidential Proclamation.
Notice anything missing from the Kennedy quote? It began with "Ask not what your country can do for you..." Of course "not asking what your country can do for you" is abhorrent to a progressive like Obama.

Not surprising is that Obama ignored the 20% across the board tax cuts originally proposed by Kennedy, signed by LBJ and resulting in prosperity. (if you cannot see video below please click here)





Somewhere in heaven Ronald Reagan is saying, "Well...there you go again." As President Obama lies about what Reagan said over a quarter century ago.

Did you know?


In a June 28, 1985 speech Reagan called for a fairer tax code, one where a multi-millionaire did not have a lower tax rate than his secretary. Today, President Obama is calling for the same with the
Buffett Rule. Technically the first sentence was correct. Reagan did call for a fairer tax code, but not by raising taxes on the rich but by simplifying the tax code and lowering tax rates.
With lower personal and corporate rates and another capital gains tax cut, small and entrepreneurial businesses will take off. Americans will have an open field to test their dreams and challenge their imaginations, and the next decade will become known as the age of opportunity. American industry will benefit, too, because the billions that are presently being squandered on the loopholes—things like jojoba bean shelters, racehorse write-offs, windmill farms, and luxury lunches for business executives-will be reinvested in the productive economy, where it will build new factories and businesses, create new jobs, and finance the new inventions that will keep America number one in the world market. Read them all but and try to keep a straight face. The White House claims that its all OK because they didn't change the bios, ignoring the fact that much of the added information was false. The larger issue is that with this president its all about him. HE killed Bin Laden, the military is fighting for HIM. Whatever happened to the concept laid out by Abraham Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address
..this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth
If Obama gets his way it will be:
..this nation, under the government shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of Obama by Obama, for Obama, shall not perish from the earth
Posted by Jeff Dunetz at Tuesday, May 15, 2012

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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88284)5/16/2012 9:40:30 AM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations   of 89448
 
A Censored Race War
The media ignore racially motivated black-on-white crime. By Thomas Sowell



Thomas Sowell

When two white newspaper reporters for the Virginian-Pilot were driving through Norfolk, and were set upon and beaten by a mob of young blacks — beaten so badly that they had to take a week off from work — that might sound like news that should have been reported, at least by their own newspaper. But it wasn’t.

The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News Channel was the first major television program to report this incident. Yet this story is not just a Norfolk story, either in what happened or in how the media and the authorities have tried to sweep it under the rug.

Similar episodes of unprovoked violence by young black gangs against white people chosen at random on beaches, in shopping malls, or in other public places have occurred in Philadelphia, New York, Denver, Chicago, Cleveland, Washington, Los Angeles, and other places across the country. Both the authorities and the media tend to try to sweep these episodes under the rug.






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In Milwaukee, for example, an attack on whites at a public park a few years ago left many of the victims battered to the ground and bloody. But when the police arrived on the scene, it became clear that the authorities wanted to keep this quiet. One 22-year-old woman, who had been robbed of her cell phone and debit card, and had blood streaming down her face, said, “About 20 of us stayed to give statements and make sure everyone was accounted for. The police wouldn’t listen to us, they wouldn’t take our names or statements. They told us to leave. It was completely infuriating.”

The police chief seemed determined to head off any suggestion that this was a racially motivated attack by saying that crime is color-blind. Officials elsewhere have said similar things.

A wave of such attacks in Chicago were reported, but not the race of the attackers or victims. Media outlets that do not report the race of people committing crimes nevertheless report racial disparities in imprisonment and write heated editorials blaming the criminal-justice system.

What the authorities and the media seem determined to suppress is that the hoodlum elements in many ghettoes launch coordinated attacks on whites in public places. If there is anything worse than a one-sided race war, it is a two-sided race war, especially when one of the races outnumbers the other several times over.

It may be understandable that some people want to head off such a catastrophe, either by not reporting the attacks in this race war, or by not identifying the race of those attacking, or by insisting that the attacks were not racially motivated — even when the attackers themselves voice anti-white invective as they laugh at their bleeding victims.

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